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Re: Storage on Vercel

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Post by 015a »

crooked-v wrote: post #37

This is cool and whatever, but after the work my company has put in to actively move things away from Vercel I'm going to assume it's hugely overpriced by default compared to even other similar SaaS services.

Its extremely expensive, and I'm aware of two companies migrating away from NextJS itself (neither were ever hosting with Vercel, though).

I've only talked in depth with one of them, but the reason is complexity: they want "a react framework" and every update to NextJS substantially raises the complexity bar, introducing a large number of features that they don't want or need. There's also been at least one incident of a NextJS bug which only affected non-Vercel deployments; and that incident came up in this discussion as evidence for their concern that NextJS doesn't have a future outside of Vercel (the company and the platform).

Re: Storage on Vercel

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Post by tudorg »

teaearlgraycold wrote: post #30

I looked into serverless postgres offerings a few months ago and came to realize that while it is possible, it doesn't appear that we have figured out how to develop with it as well as we have with traditional postgres. ORMs are fairly incompatible with serverless postgres, and schema migrations are difficult to handle because you have an unknown number of asynchronously updated copies of your code spread around the…

This is why at Xata we have developed our own ORM-like SDK for TypeScript and we store migration files in the repo. The SDK is very lightweight so it runs in any serverless runtime. It also means we can create DB branches on the fly for each PR, with whatever schema is in the repo, and when the PR is merged, the `main` branch gets migrated automatically.

Re: Storage on Vercel

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Post by no_wizard »

youngtaff wrote: post #59
cccybernetic wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s a lot of magic with Vercel, but I think the true “wedge” was clear to many people: DX. The trick was really the execution, which they nailed. They realized early that there was a whole class of developers out there, many of them quite talented, who couldn’t stand SSH’ing into Linux boxes, configuring htaccess files, installing SSL certificates, etc. Many of these developers also worked at big companies, and h…

What just like Netlify who did it a few years earlier?

They fell over by not having a Next.js type solution and could have spent more time on DevRel.

Their pricing structure change didn’t help either

If there was a Netlify framework that leveraged up the platform that got you started quick I bet they would have more mindshare

Re: Storage on Vercel

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Post by paulddraper »

MattIPv4 wrote: post #4

Cloudflare's R2 costs $0.36 per million read operations (after the 10 million you get for free) [1]. Vercel is wrapping R2 and is charging $2 per million reads [2]. They're also charging $0.15/GB for egress (after the 1GB you get free), when R2 charges nothing, and the storage cost is doubled from $0.015/GB on R2 to $0.03/GB on Vercel. That's quite the cost increase for the DX improvement. [1] https://developers.clou…

> That's quite the cost increase for the DX improvement.

It depends how much you spend on egress vs developers.

Re: Storage on Vercel

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Post by datadeft »

MattIPv4 wrote: post #4

Cloudflare's R2 costs $0.36 per million read operations (after the 10 million you get for free) [1]. Vercel is wrapping R2 and is charging $2 per million reads [2]. They're also charging $0.15/GB for egress (after the 1GB you get free), when R2 charges nothing, and the storage cost is doubled from $0.015/GB on R2 to $0.03/GB on Vercel. That's quite the cost increase for the DX improvement. [1] https://developers.clou…

Does this mean I have to potentially deal with two vendors when there is an outage? Awesome!

Re: Storage on Vercel

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Post by Demonto »

dexterdog wrote: post #20
leerob wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't finalized yet, apologies for the confusion. We'll be updating the pricing for Blob shortly (it's in private beta and invite only). The pricing for KV and Postgres is up to date.

I already lean away from S3/Azureblob/etc because their egress prices are terrible. .15/GB is borderline criminal.

150$ for a TB traffic?! Wtf

Re: Storage on Vercel

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Post by frankfrank13 »

grrdotcloud wrote: post #64
frankfrank13 wrote: post #46

cloud was a mistake

I want to disagree but thanks be to the lack of agreed definitions I will agree.

i was being intentionally stupid, but based on this pricing I'm forced to think that Vercel et al. are just praying on junior/inexperienced devs. This is like a 4x premium (maybe more) over AWS, and that is already a huge premium.

Re: Storage on Vercel

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Post by vlovich123 »

carride wrote: post #50
MattIPv4 wrote: post #4

Cloudflare's R2 costs $0.36 per million read operations (after the 10 million you get for free) [1]. Vercel is wrapping R2 and is charging $2 per million reads [2]. They're also charging $0.15/GB for egress (after the 1GB you get free), when R2 charges nothing, and the storage cost is doubled from $0.015/GB on R2 to $0.03/GB on Vercel. That's quite the cost increase for the DX improvement. [1] https://developers.clou…

You will get better customer support from Vercel. Cloudflare gives almost zero customer support if you are pay-as-you-go plan.

For what it’s worth when I was TL I would regularly hang out on discord and answer questions for R2. I believe the team still does that and the community itself also answers a lot of questions. Now that I TL Workers KV I do the same in that chat room.

There’s also the community forums although I find it’s harder to stay on top of those personally.

Not trying to say our paygo support is as good. Just saying for those customers, I do personally try to offer ENT-level support as an entire class of users (ie all paygo = 1 ent to me for the products I personally support)

Re: Storage on Vercel

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Post by revskill »

mrkurt wrote: post #33
revskill wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The dashboard on fly.io didn't say it's not serverless. SO it's not transparent. Look like a scam to me. For now, i had to say goodbye for most of cloud services. Good old VPS for now.

Ok that's a silly thing to say. Nowhere on our site do we say we offer serverless anything . When you provision a Redis, we offer you a selection of plans, you pick the one you want, and off you go. I don't understand why you'd assume that's serverless.

Because Upstash is serverless redis.
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