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FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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Re: FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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Post by kelipso »

WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #49
agubelu wrote: post #22

It was a very exciting WCC, but I feel like something should be done about the post-match press conferences. Many of the questions asked in the most prestigious chess tournament are not even remotely related to the games that were played, and sometimes plainly disrespectful towards the players. The first question right after a new World Champion has been crowned was about the weather.

Hard to take the WCC seriously when everyone know Carlsen would have won and just find the whole thing too boring to take part.

Or he was scared of losing after spending months preparing. He'll say whatever makes him look good probably but who knows.

Re: FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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Post by mkagenius »

Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #23
jeremyjh wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not just a blunder, but a blunder made too quickly when he had plenty of time. If Nepo won a third straight candidates (he's automatically qualified) that would be an extremely impressive achievement that would be a first in world history I believe.

I wonder if Carlsen will participate. I'm actually rather salty at him for forfeiting the title. If you are a chess champion, you have to defend the title until you lose, or die, whichever happens first. After he had refused to defend the title, it made the title of his successor automatically less worthy. That's bad.

Forfeiting is almost like accepting the defeat, not in the ability kind of way but "i can't go through the torture anymore" way ..but yeah it's like you accepted the defeat, so it's okay to assume he lost.

Re: FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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Post by kelipso »

somenameforme wrote: post #25
agubelu wrote: post #22

It was a very exciting WCC, but I feel like something should be done about the post-match press conferences. Many of the questions asked in the most prestigious chess tournament are not even remotely related to the games that were played, and sometimes plainly disrespectful towards the players. The first question right after a new World Champion has been crowned was about the weather.

It was also extremely odd to me that there was no Chinese press there. Ding's English is not excellent, and to not be able to catch his first moments in his native tongue seems to have been a major failing of the Chinese press.

Chess isn't really big in China. Maybe will get more popular with Ding now but I'm not holding my breath.

Re: FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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Post by kthejoker2 »

somenameforme wrote: post #24
perihelions wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The main commentator stream was (reasonably) blindsided by Rg6, with comedic timing. Sachdev: "Rg6 is not a move that you'd consider here, right? It's the only move that I feel with black keeps the game going, but it looks more like a losing move than a winning attempt." Caruana: "If Rg6 is not better for white [Nepomniachtchi], I'd be shocked" Ding: [plays Rg6] https://youtu.be/cSxNZix1Xwc?t=16087

I do wonder if Fabiano Caruana (the commentator in question, world #7) is going to have some introspection following these events, because that pattern occurred several times during his commentary. He came up with endless (and completely valid) ways for both players to 'kill'/simplify/draw the games at various points, but the players chose far more ambitious routes ultimately culminating in the final game where it de…

Fabi's 4th in the world in Blitz, dude can play fast.

Carlsen is just a beast.

Re: FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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Post by kelipso »

School-Cotton wrote: post #51
mtlmtlmtlmtl wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are they supposed to do, not have a world championship? It's happened before when Fischer refused to defend the title. And yet Karpov got the title without having beaten Fischer, who he probably wouldn't have beaten in a match even if Fischer was nutty bananas at the time. But at least he had played a match to win the candidates tournament at the time. This time around, Ian hadn't won a match, and so the match m…

> What are they supposed to do, not have a world championship? Yes, that’s a reasonable proposal. Title matches don’t have to happen on a fixed schedule like the Super Bowl, and in the past, they didn’t. They were ad-hoc and happened whenever a worthy contender raised enough prize money to challenge the current champion, who had a lot of leeway in negotiating the format and venue.

There's a reason the current format came about; lots of prima donna behavior from the world champions at the time.

Re: FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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Post by apetrov »

kelipso wrote: post #61
WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hard to take the WCC seriously when everyone know Carlsen would have won and just find the whole thing too boring to take part.

Or he was scared of losing after spending months preparing. He'll say whatever makes him look good probably but who knows.

don't hold your breath for that. Carlsen is 2853 and nobody else is above 2800 now.

Re: FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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Post by NhanH »

kelipso wrote: post #61
WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hard to take the WCC seriously when everyone know Carlsen would have won and just find the whole thing too boring to take part.

Or he was scared of losing after spending months preparing. He'll say whatever makes him look good probably but who knows.

He first voiced his discontent with the format around 13-15 years ago (he was #1 player by elo rating, but not yet the world champion), even skipping a cycle or two as protest. Afterward, he participated anyway and hold the title in fairly dominating fashion 10 years straight.

Maybe we should take his words at face value and that he really is fed up with the thing.

Re: FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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Post by throwawaysalome »

Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #23
jeremyjh wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not just a blunder, but a blunder made too quickly when he had plenty of time. If Nepo won a third straight candidates (he's automatically qualified) that would be an extremely impressive achievement that would be a first in world history I believe.

I wonder if Carlsen will participate. I'm actually rather salty at him for forfeiting the title. If you are a chess champion, you have to defend the title until you lose, or die, whichever happens first. After he had refused to defend the title, it made the title of his successor automatically less worthy. That's bad.

When you get older, you realize "world champion" is meaningless, and the adjudicating organizations are profit-driven, even if they're legally non-profit (the NFL being the most brazen example).

Re: FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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Post by somenameforme »

ttyyzz wrote: post #35
specproc wrote: post #15

It's been a brilliant tournament, absolutely fantastic to follow. Genuinely gripping, exciting stuff with incredible games and lines. Carlsen did us all a favour by stepping back. I don't think the rest of the pack are too far behind these two, we should be seeing a really dynamic, entertaining fight for the top spot over the coming years.

I'd rather have the best current player in there. I thought this WCC was rather pointless.

Long World Championship matches and normal tournaments are two very different beasts. Kramnik [convincingly] defeated Kasparov for the world championship in 2000, yet Kasparov was still the indisputably strongest tournament player in the world, and would remain so for the entirety of Kramnik's 6 year reign. Magnus' recent title defenses, except against Ian, have not been convincing. And against Ian, he was largely gifted games after Ian lost one good game and then went on monkey tilt. In the 2 world championship matches prior, Magnus had a grand score of +1 =22 -1. Magnus is dominant in regular tournaments, but that level of dominance has not carried over into his world championship matches.

I think he simply wanted to go out undefeated. The only opponent Magnus was willing to defend his title against is Alireza, the 4th in the world behind Magnus, Ian, and Ding. But he is by far the least experienced. He has 0 classical match experience against top players, is 20 years old, and also has tilt issues. Throw in the pressure of a World Championship match and he would almost certainly have been the easiest opponent for Magnus.

This event showed who the strongest match player in the world is, and as of today - that is Ding Liren.

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