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We glued together content moderation to stop soccer pirates

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Re: We glued together content moderation to stop soccer pirates

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Post by oatmeal1 »

rad_gruchalski wrote: post #13
emacdona wrote: post #8

Sigh... f*ck sports leagues/governing bodies. The reason some honest people pirate streams for sporting events is because they make it so annoying to pay for them. Some examples... I live in the US. I briefly took an interest in the EPL. If I wanted to watch all EPL games (or have the option of watching any particular EPL game), I'd have to subscribe to Peacock _and_ Fubo -- and I'm still not sure that gets me all ga…

> THE ONLY sports governing body that has figured this out (for sports I like, anyway), is F1. No. The only ones who figured it out is the NFL. F1 shafted Germany after youg Schuhmacher came into F1 and German Sky bought exclusive rights. The NFL? Intl Game Pass €190 per season live streams, instant repeats no adverts, various show, dedicated tv apps, no limit on number of devices, high def.

FWIW GamePass in the US is cheaper, but godawful software that will, for example, force you to clear your cache and log back in every time you want to watch another game. Every year it gets a fresh new look, removes a couple features, and adds bugs. It's the worst software I've ever used.

Re: We glued together content moderation to stop soccer pirates

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Post by temp_praneshp »

esharte wrote: post #31
emacdona wrote: post #8

Sigh... f*ck sports leagues/governing bodies. The reason some honest people pirate streams for sporting events is because they make it so annoying to pay for them. Some examples... I live in the US. I briefly took an interest in the EPL. If I wanted to watch all EPL games (or have the option of watching any particular EPL game), I'd have to subscribe to Peacock _and_ Fubo -- and I'm still not sure that gets me all ga…

If you lived in the UK, supported Tottenham and wanted to watch all their games in the 2021/22 season you had to: Subscribe to Sky Sports (around £50-60 a month) for the Premier League games. Subscribe to BT Sports (30 a month) for the Saturday early kick off Premier League games and the Europa Conference League games. Subscribe to Amazon Prime for the 3 random weeks when they are showing the Premier League games ins…

If you watch Tottenham despite all that, you deserve the pain their football causes.

Jokes apart, is the BT Sports "early kick off games" completely different from the Sky Sports game you mentioned? That's ridiculous. I was in England in Summer 2019 for the cricket world cup, and was shocked at how difficult it was to watch the games on TV. Wimbledon was very easy though, so maybe Tennis is way more popular?

Re: We glued together content moderation to stop soccer pirates

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Post by importantbrian »

emacdona wrote: post #8

Sigh... f*ck sports leagues/governing bodies. The reason some honest people pirate streams for sporting events is because they make it so annoying to pay for them. Some examples... I live in the US. I briefly took an interest in the EPL. If I wanted to watch all EPL games (or have the option of watching any particular EPL game), I'd have to subscribe to Peacock _and_ Fubo -- and I'm still not sure that gets me all ga…

F1 has this absolutely nailed. I fear that if it gets popular enough in the US ESPN will buy exclusive rights and then you'll have to have a cable package in order to watch it.

Re: We glued together content moderation to stop soccer pirates

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Post by waveBidder »

taneq wrote: post #52
pdntspa wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Community-based media sharing is great. I wish it was possible for me to lend all of my Steam games when I'm not using them. You can do that, actually. It has some pretty big caveats, but if you are not actively playing anything on Steam then your library can be lent out to others... all you have to do is sign into their computer using your Steam credentials.

You can also just share your library with another account.

done this, the whole account gets locked iirc, and not just specific games

Re: We glued together content moderation to stop soccer pirates

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Post by kmeisthax »

derefr wrote: post #41
emacdona wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's fair. My main objection is labeling _everyone_ as "pirates". Technically, yes, they are pirating the steam. But some of those people are also PAYING to watch plenty of games in whatever sport they are "pirating" streams for. Calling these people "pirates" fails to acknowledge that they are also "paying customers" who are frustrated with how complicated it has become to pay for the product they want to watch.

The people that Mux are applying the word “pirate” to here are the people doing the streaming, not the people watching the streams. The people doing the streaming aren’t only “making paid content free to access”; they’re also putting up ads on these sites, making a profit off of IP they didn’t create. It’s analogous to bootlegging: buying a fake Gucci bag is not unethical; but producing one is.

More importantly, for-money streaming pirates are terrible customers Mux doesn't want to do business with. The kinds of pirates we're thinking about from a decade ago weren't trying to make a quick buck, so they were using things like BitTorrent that had everyone sharing bandwidth.

Re: We glued together content moderation to stop soccer pirates

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Post by VPenkov »

63 wrote: post #46

> The contractor can escalate or silence the alert using the buttons on the Slack message. If it is a false positive, they will press “Silence,” which activates another n8n workflow that adds the asset to an allowlist, so it won’t alert again. So if I were a prospective soccer pirate hoping to take advantage of Mux publishing the specific details of their content moderation system, could I just stream myself harmless…

Presumably, but they could always add more heuristics like tracking viewership spikes. Sounds like they'd have a way to append more checks and were aiming for "good enough for now".

Re: We glued together content moderation to stop soccer pirates

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Post by dilyevsky »

63 wrote: post #46

> The contractor can escalate or silence the alert using the buttons on the Slack message. If it is a false positive, they will press “Silence,” which activates another n8n workflow that adds the asset to an allowlist, so it won’t alert again. So if I were a prospective soccer pirate hoping to take advantage of Mux publishing the specific details of their content moderation system, could I just stream myself harmless…

You’d be surprised how quickly a decently popular stream get dmca’ed these days (and in some jurisdictions your entire domain is autoblocked by isps). Content owners use automated tooling to scour the web for their IP
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