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Re: The Sell ∀ ∃ as ∃ ∀ Scam

#61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right #1 it’s not clear that this ∃ ∀ construction is a fair representation of what is being ‘sold’ by GPT-x #2 it’s also not clear what this proposed inverted formulation (∀ ∃) that describes what the author thinks GPT actually is even means. For every setting there exists a task that it answers? Does that even make sense?

Pretty sure you should read "for every task there exists a setting".

But what's the inverse?

Re: The Sell ∀ ∃ as ∃ ∀ Scam

#62

ChatGPT itself is in on the scam . The way i think about it is that ChatGPT is already superhuman at bullshitting, many people want to give it credit for being more capable than it really is. it is interesting to postulate if it is the “most likely word” heuristic that leads to this behavior (e.g. never says anything that startles people) or HFRL training systematically teaching it to say what people want to hear.

GPT-4 is very useful to me right now, for small programming projects. Though it can't write an entire program for a nontrivial project, it is good at the things I hate doing, like figuring out regular expressions and SQL commands. I smile broadly at the fact that I may never have to write either of those things again. And GPT-4 knows of the existence of countless software libraries and modules that I've never heard of. It doesn't always use them correctly, but just alerting me to their existence is tremendously helpful. It can usually answer questions about APIs correctly. I have no idea what impact LLMs will have on the world as a whole, but they will clearly revolutionize coding.

Re: The Sell ∀ ∃ as ∃ ∀ Scam

#63
> Convince the user that it is their job to find a instantiation or setting of this control to make the system work for their tasks.

As opposed to convincing the user that it is their job to brief a suitably qualified contractor or employee to make a company perform the required work?

∴ humans are a scam

Re: The Sell ∀ ∃ as ∃ ∀ Scam

#64

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> Significantly economically impactful in some cases- obvious examples of call centers and first-line customer support. Is it that obvious? Yesterday I had a trivial but uncommon issue with my pharmacy. I reached out to them online - their chatbot was the only channel available. I tried, over the course of 20 minutes and 3 restarted sessions, to communicate an issue that a human would have been able to respond to in…

Do you have any reason to believe that the Chatbot was GPT3.5 or GPT4 based?

How are you gonna answer things like pricing? Issue with pharmacies is the super complicated and super secretive pricing structure. A good UI can solve this if they want to drop the secrecy.

Re: The Sell ∀ ∃ as ∃ ∀ Scam

#66
post #46

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This isn't reddit, "butthurt" and similar low brow shit turns this into the same kind of cesspool. Make an adult argument or don't make one.

He is making a substantive point, but you are rejecting him out of hand due to terminology which you feel signals he's outside a clique. Who is the one without an adult argument?

Re: The Sell ∀ ∃ as ∃ ∀ Scam

#67
It is difficult to conclude this is true, and it will be even more difficult in the future because tech like "AI" has the ability to almost completely saturate the amount of data any human can ingest. The relationship will soon be symbiotic, with everything showing the extent of our progress... in the same manner we can date movies by the kinds of phones they use. Many plots will become stale, many worldviews will be condensed to something that supports "AI" and the offending branches will be snipped. The only way to really forget this limitation is to be myopic enough to disregard everything else. With the way the internet is going, I'm sure one day these LLMs will be heralded as "free" and "open" media, their fuzzy recollections the only records we will have of the past, and extensive use will essentially morph civilization in their own image.

Re: The Sell ∀ ∃ as ∃ ∀ Scam

#68
The author is saying ! ∃ ∀ and selling it as ! ∀ ∃. He's the one scamming.

AI researchers are rather upfront about the need to use fine-tuning and prompt engineering for current AI models.

As to random forest models, wasn't the whole point of hyperparameter sweeps to remove the need for manual hyperparameter selection?

Re: The Sell ∀ ∃ as ∃ ∀ Scam

#69
post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>contain "knowledge" or "intelligence" or "meaning" when in reality, it's just a very fancy Markov chain These are not mutually exclusive. If you have a Markov chain that 100% of the time outputs "A cat is an animal", then it has knowledge that a cat is an animal.

I think you are operating with a different definition of "knowledge" that the parent does.

Knowledge is awareness of information. "Awareness" is a quagmire because a lot of people believe that 'true' awareness requires possessing a sort of soul which machines can't possess.

I think the important part is information, the matter of 'awareness' can simply be ignored as a philosophical/religious disagreement which will never be resolved. What's important is: Does the system contain information? Can it reliably convey that information? In which ways can it manipulate that information?

Re: The Sell ∀ ∃ as ∃ ∀ Scam

#70
post #9

I can walk and chew bubble gum at the same time: on one hand, yes, there's certainly a lot of Kool-Aid being drank by the AI folks. Even on HN, I constantly argue with people that genuinely think LLMs are some kind of magical black box that contain "knowledge" or "intelligence" or "meaning" when in reality, it's just a very fancy Markov chain. And on the other hand, I think that language interfaces are probably the n…

>it's just a very fancy Markov chain Could you provide an argument for why an LLM is a fancy markov chain that does not apply equally well to a human?

Well, for one, humans are obviously at least more than a fancy Markov chain because we have genetically hard-wired instincts, so we are, in some sense, "hard-coded" if you forgive my programming metaphor. Hard-coded to breed, multiply, care for our young, seek shelter, among many other things.
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