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Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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Re: Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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Post by izacus »

JohnFen wrote: post #54

> As Microsoft puts it: “We are continuing the exploration of badging on the Start menu with several new treatments for users logging in with local user accounts to highlight the benefits of signing in with a Microsoft account (MSA).” What is Microsoft really thinking here? You have to go out of your way (and probably do a web search) in order to figure out how to install Win 11 without using a Microsoft Account. So…

It's obvious what are they thinking:

"This gives us conversions, this gives us money, what are you gonna do, pay 3000$ for a Mac?"

Re: Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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Post by qbasic_forever »

jimbob45 wrote: post #52
whywhywhywhy wrote: post #51

Please please MS just put someone in charge with taste who can veto this trashy rubbish. Whatever gains you're perceiving from this on your profit chart isn't worth the compounding deterioration of your products experience.

On the other hand, Windows is on a lot of computers these days. They may be making absurd amounts of money off of this arrangement.

No, they aren't. The windows division has consistently shrank to the point it isn't even a top line revenue source for the company anymore and is rolled up into the experience and devices group with office, Xbox, etc. Windows is less than 12% of MS quarterly revenue and continuing to shrink: https://www.kamilfranek.com/microsoft-revenue-breakdown/

The company could totally lose all windows revenue tomorrow and barely notice it. In a few years it will probably be into the single digits of percent revenue and near total irrelevance. Windows is dead as any meaningful business for the company.

Re: Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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Post by antiframe »

Marsymars wrote: post #48
quenix wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That seems a bit unreasonable 1. The App Store is not a "core UI element"; 2. Even if it was, it's reasonable to see ads in a _store_. It's somewhere you go specifically in order to buy things and see companies' offerings. It's in the name -- a store . Like others have pointed out, no other portions of the OOB experience have ads.

Those points are both matters of opinion, with which I do not agree. (The first one doesn't particularly matter, because I'm forced to use the iOS App Store regardless of how you classify it, the second of which I forcefully disagree with - I am opposed to any ads that I cannot opt out of seeing. I don't go to the store to see ads, I go to download exactly the apps I want, and to update apps I already have installed…

So in your opinion seeing an advertisement for an app on an app store is much worse than seeing an ad in your app launcher UI that you click on every time you go to launch an app?

Re: Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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Post by hackinthebochs »

gumballindie wrote: post #60

Move over to linux. KDE has the eye-candy, XFCE has the simplicity and OpenBOX is distraction free. Games work well and so do dev tools.

Are fonts still ugly as sin? That was the biggest drawback last time I tried linux as my main desktop. That and having to muck around in config files for every little thing.

Re: Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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Post by loloquwowndueo »

causi wrote: post #59
whywhywhywhy wrote: post #51

Please please MS just put someone in charge with taste who can veto this trashy rubbish. Whatever gains you're perceiving from this on your profit chart isn't worth the compounding deterioration of your products experience.

You should've learned having taste is an instant disqualifier for employment at Microsoft after Windows 8.

Ah i can see you never used windows 3.1.

Re: Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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Post by StrangeATractor »

causi wrote: post #59
whywhywhywhy wrote: post #51

Please please MS just put someone in charge with taste who can veto this trashy rubbish. Whatever gains you're perceiving from this on your profit chart isn't worth the compounding deterioration of your products experience.

You should've learned having taste is an instant disqualifier for employment at Microsoft after Windows 8.

Nobody with taste would have allowed the Zune.

Re: Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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Post by giancarlostoro »

JohnFen wrote: post #54

> As Microsoft puts it: “We are continuing the exploration of badging on the Start menu with several new treatments for users logging in with local user accounts to highlight the benefits of signing in with a Microsoft account (MSA).” What is Microsoft really thinking here? You have to go out of your way (and probably do a web search) in order to figure out how to install Win 11 without using a Microsoft Account. So…

I went ahead and installed Linux the moment I realized I had to go through a ton of hoops in order to install Windows 11 offline. I'm only ever going to use Windows for work machines that someone else is paying me to use, and even then, I might just start asking for a Mac instead. I'm over this awful OS nonsense they're doing to Windows. Whoever is in charge of the OS clearly does not care.

If I were manning the ship at Microsoft for Windows, I'd make the OS slimmer and far more lightweight.

Re: Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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Post by JCWasmx86 »

JohnFen wrote: post #54

> As Microsoft puts it: “We are continuing the exploration of badging on the Start menu with several new treatments for users logging in with local user accounts to highlight the benefits of signing in with a Microsoft account (MSA).” What is Microsoft really thinking here? You have to go out of your way (and probably do a web search) in order to figure out how to install Win 11 without using a Microsoft Account. So…

Companies should really accept a "No" from their users. No I don't want to use a microsoft account just to use my computer. (Without jumping through hoops) Don't ask me again the moment I say "No".

You can see the same with all those dialogs that only have "Yes, do $THING" and "Remind me later".

Re: Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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Post by JohnFen »

izacus wrote: post #61
JohnFen wrote: post #54

> As Microsoft puts it: “We are continuing the exploration of badging on the Start menu with several new treatments for users logging in with local user accounts to highlight the benefits of signing in with a Microsoft account (MSA).” What is Microsoft really thinking here? You have to go out of your way (and probably do a web search) in order to figure out how to install Win 11 without using a Microsoft Account. So…

It's obvious what are they thinking: "This gives us conversions, this gives us money, what are you gonna do, pay 3000$ for a Mac?"

I don't think they'll get many conversions out of it. They're fishing in a pool that already actively signaled that they don't like the bait.

Re: Microsoft plugging more ads into Windows 11 Start Menu

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Post by giancarlostoro »

izacus wrote: post #61
JohnFen wrote: post #54

> As Microsoft puts it: “We are continuing the exploration of badging on the Start menu with several new treatments for users logging in with local user accounts to highlight the benefits of signing in with a Microsoft account (MSA).” What is Microsoft really thinking here? You have to go out of your way (and probably do a web search) in order to figure out how to install Win 11 without using a Microsoft Account. So…

It's obvious what are they thinking: "This gives us conversions, this gives us money, what are you gonna do, pay 3000$ for a Mac?"

I'll install Linux or indeed buy a Mac instead moving forward.
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