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Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Post by nemo44x »

cemerick wrote: post #2

This news really highlights the confirmation bias that was in full bloom throughout the "discourse" around the initial reports of Lee's murder (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35448899 ). Everyone is so quick to jump on negative news about the rare violent crime in e.g. SF thanks to feelings about petty property crime that it's obviously impossible to have any kind of fact-based dialogue about policy. Worth…

> I wonder how likely it is that the same population will comment here to say, "I was wrong"?

Sure, people were wrong in their assumption that the murder was random. At least that's how it looks now. We haven't heard the suspects side, but....

But wrong that SF has become a dangerous and mismanaged city? Murder isn't the only violent crime and a lot of crime goes unreported. People don't feel safe walking around and you can't just dismiss that. It's their "lived experience". The fact that everyone assumed that Bob Lee was murdered randomly says something about the state of the city.

SF has a lot of issues and it has a lot of crime and other issues. It has been mismanaged for years now and things need to change.

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Post by BenSahar »

rubyn00bie wrote: post #48
cemerick wrote: post #2

This news really highlights the confirmation bias that was in full bloom throughout the "discourse" around the initial reports of Lee's murder (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35448899 ). Everyone is so quick to jump on negative news about the rare violent crime in e.g. SF thanks to feelings about petty property crime that it's obviously impossible to have any kind of fact-based dialogue about policy. Worth…

Yeah the exact same thing happens with Portland every time it pops up on here. The HN audience by and large irrationally hates progressive policies and cities with them. It’s weird watching people here parrot the opinions of the corporate overlords.

Yeah, I get the same thing with Chicago. Anything that allows them dump on their "enemies".

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Post by f38zf5vdt »

vimax wrote: post #37
f38zf5vdt wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As soon as I saw the reported murder I figured it was a business partner who felt scorned, but then HN narrative continued for a full week about the lack of safety in SF. While things might be bad, random murders by strangers are still a rarity compared to targeted killings.

I find it strange that nobody is mentioning the Hindenburg Research report against Square that came out a week before the stabbing, and the fact that there’s likely a fraud investigation underway. https://hindenburgresearch.com/block/

Thank you. There are so many sketchy things going on with Square/Block that some bad actors might be involved was never surprising to me.

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Post by danso »

People were so quick to assume the nature of the crime even when no info about a possible suspect had been publicly released. Check the quote tweets to Bob's 2019 tweet about "recognize that your black friends face challenges you don’t"

https://www.twitter.com/crazybob/status/1181668744247930880/...

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Post by BenSahar »

tsunamifury wrote: post #57
tedivm wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're objectively wrong. > San Francisco recorded 56 homicides each in 2022 and 2021, up over 36% from 2019, when there were 41 homicides, according to police department data. Despite the increase, the number of homicides in San Francisco is well below that of other cities of a similar size, data from the Major Cities Police Chiefs Association shows. > Indianapolis, for example, witnessed 271 homicides in 2021 and 2…

Thanks for the numbers. On the street except for murder cops won’t even take your report anymore. The numbers reflect nothing in SF and residents know it.

"Even when I'm factually wrong, I'm right"

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Post by femiagbabiaka »

tsunamifury wrote: post #57
tedivm wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're objectively wrong. > San Francisco recorded 56 homicides each in 2022 and 2021, up over 36% from 2019, when there were 41 homicides, according to police department data. Despite the increase, the number of homicides in San Francisco is well below that of other cities of a similar size, data from the Major Cities Police Chiefs Association shows. > Indianapolis, for example, witnessed 271 homicides in 2021 and 2…

Thanks for the numbers. On the street except for murder cops won’t even take your report anymore. The numbers reflect nothing in SF and residents know it.

I was just laughing about this position the other day: if the the stats confirm your position they’re accurate and can’t be ignored. If they’re not then the bookkeeping is wrong. A win/win situation!

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Post by dundarious »

baremetal wrote: post #12
cemerick wrote: post #2

This news really highlights the confirmation bias that was in full bloom throughout the "discourse" around the initial reports of Lee's murder (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35448899 ). Everyone is so quick to jump on negative news about the rare violent crime in e.g. SF thanks to feelings about petty property crime that it's obviously impossible to have any kind of fact-based dialogue about policy. Worth…

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Your linked article and the OP indicate that this was a case of an assault leading to another more brutal assault.

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Post by dwater »

tedivm wrote: post #43
pc86 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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You're objectively wrong. > San Francisco recorded 56 homicides each in 2022 and 2021, up over 36% from 2019, when there were 41 homicides, according to police department data. Despite the increase, the number of homicides in San Francisco is well below that of other cities of a similar size, data from the Major Cities Police Chiefs Association shows. > Indianapolis, for example, witnessed 271 homicides in 2021 and 2…

I was surprised to see in the article that SF has only had 12 murders so far this year. My city is less than 1/3 the size and has 14 murders so far, and it doesn’t feel like a lawless hell hole to me. Every murder is tragic, but almost all of them involve parties known to each other.

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Post by nemo44x »

jjulius wrote: post #52
cemerick wrote: post #2

This news really highlights the confirmation bias that was in full bloom throughout the "discourse" around the initial reports of Lee's murder (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35448899 ). Everyone is so quick to jump on negative news about the rare violent crime in e.g. SF thanks to feelings about petty property crime that it's obviously impossible to have any kind of fact-based dialogue about policy. Worth…

It was really surreal, reading through that thread and watching everyone assume they knew exactly what happened when there had literally been no public information given out about the suspect.

My wife asked me "how do we know the killer was a homeless guy?". I could only reply - "good point".

I think a part of it is people are fed up with how the city has deteriorated and no amount of gaslighting will change that fact. So, when he was killed it seemed like just another thing in the decline of the city.

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Post by tedivm »

tsunamifury wrote: post #57
tedivm wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're objectively wrong. > San Francisco recorded 56 homicides each in 2022 and 2021, up over 36% from 2019, when there were 41 homicides, according to police department data. Despite the increase, the number of homicides in San Francisco is well below that of other cities of a similar size, data from the Major Cities Police Chiefs Association shows. > Indianapolis, for example, witnessed 271 homicides in 2021 and 2…

Thanks for the numbers. On the street except for murder cops won’t even take your report anymore. The numbers reflect nothing in SF and residents know it.

So what you're saying is your feelings don't care about the facts?
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