If you have a zero day takeover via usb/lightning why would you waste it on public charging infrastructure? That seems ridiculous.
FBI is warning people against using public phone-charging stations
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#62I usually drill out the data pins on a USB I plan on using for public charging stations…
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#64If you have a zero day takeover via usb/lightning why would you waste it on public charging infrastructure? That seems ridiculous.
What other attack vector would you choose?
Many people would use them, assuming they were just mis-shipped or ordered by their spouse.
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Nice. Alas, that will probably also block fast charging on iPhone 15+: https://9to5mac.com/2023/03/20/usb-c-faster-charging-iphone-...
Idea: use a power bank that allows in/out at the same time. It should charge both at high speed while also acting as a firewall. This is also assuming that your powerbank can’t be hacked. In which case, god save us all.
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Personally...I run a Linode VPN with openvpn on it listening on port 443. Anytime I am on an public wifi or untrusted network (including the occaisonal time at my job with a personal device), i connect to that. Since its 443, its generally not blocked, even through the TLS connection is not "standard" because it uses a 2048 bit PSK to as a pre-cursor to start a connection, then a certificate based auth to establish t…
OpenVPN is a noisy protocol. Every network operator knows you’re on a VPN. Point is, port 443 isn’t really the best way if you dont want to be blocked. You may want to consider stunnel if this ever becomes a problem for you.
The issue is many will simply block UDP or the default port 1194 or basically anything other than a handful of outbound ports, of which 443 outbound is almost never actually blocked for obvious reasons. In fact I cant think of a single time I havent been able to use that VPN, even when my normal road-warrior profile to my house IS blocked.
Either way there are ways are ways to mask the fact that its clearly OpenVPN that if your issue is nation-states or things like the Great Firewall like Obfsproxy, but even then, something like Mullvad would be called for since you are likely going to need an array of endpoints.
Im just trying to ensure my traffic is running through a trusted source until the point that its supposed to him the open internet. Things like DNS filtering are getting more pervasive. For me that means I want to know the endpoint until I am ready for it to egress.
I have also had this setup for years at this point. Before tailscale or even hearing of things like mullvad. But I work in IT, so its one of those things that makes others that dont work in tech look at me funny if they see it.
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#68I'm surprised Schneier says "I am unconvinced". We know (I think?) attackers can apparently easily introduce MitM skimmers to credit card swipers (I _think_ that's how my CC number keeps getting stolen?), possibly even without cooperation of the proprietor? Why not a little invisible injector on a charging port, that seems if anything easier. Or is the skepticism around something else, I guess? Motivation? Lack of co…
>I'm surprised Schneier says "I am unconvinced". And immediately after he says he's unconvinced this is a concern, he states that he does, in fact, carry a tool with him that would protect him in these circumstances.
I'm not sure if "find suspicious" is a good heuristic here. Although of course we don't know what he bases his suspicion on.
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#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
Nice. Alas, that will probably also block fast charging on iPhone 15+: https://9to5mac.com/2023/03/20/usb-c-faster-charging-iphone-...
Idea: use a power bank that allows in/out at the same time. It should charge both at high speed while also acting as a firewall. This is also assuming that your powerbank can’t be hacked. In which case, god save us all.
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What other attack vector would you choose?
You could ship the victim malicious USB cables in the mail with amazon branding on the box. Many people would use them, assuming they were just mis-shipped or ordered by their spouse.