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After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic' case

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Re: After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic' case

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Post by anonymouskimmer »

jgaa wrote: post #27

In Norway, this fire was lit by a high ranking police officer in the state criminal police, it's "FBI". Many people was hurt, falsely convicted and many lives was destroyed. In the police, and in the child abuse industry, money was made and careers built on these lies. The police officer who brought this mental pest to Norway was eventually arrested, naked, hiding behind a bush in his neighbors garden - spying on a l…

> I think it was Hermann Hesse who wrote that "If you hate a person, you hate something in him that is part of yourself. What isn't part of ourselves doesn't disturb us."

People who have experienced trauma from the actions of people can hate other people who they think are doing the same sort of actions. I guess it could be argued that you hate the response you have to a person's actions, and thus hate that thing that is a part of you. But I don't buy or agree with this. It focuses too much on the person experiencing the emotion and not enough on the actions of others that prompt the emotion.

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Post by Freak_NL »

beebeepka wrote: post #32
pigsty wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Transgender people have existed throughout history and on every corner of the earth. They’re documented in basically any society with written records. But for some reason, in 2023, people (mainly Americans) think it’s something new and they demand to be angry about it.

Just last week, when I was at a techno music gathering, a couple of my friends saw a guy in drag (it was more like over the top ball dress really) and were like "whoaa, did you see that". I had to remind them that we used to have scores of trannies attending these events in the past and and no one cared. But now, after the latest round of propaganda, we, as a society, fear them again.

Good point, but you may want to avoid the word 'tranny' when you mean transvestite (or preferably, cross-dresser or drag queen) or transsexual or transgender person. 'Tranny' has been embraced as a hateful slur and is generally considered offensive and derogatory.

(Cf.: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/tranny)

Re: After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic' case

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Post by Yoric »

d6e wrote: post #6
1letterunixname wrote: post #2

Other moral panics of thundering herds of dumb: - Salem witch trials - Know Nothing-Party - KKK - McCarthyism - Rock and roll - Banned books - Sex education - Heavy metal - Gay movement & HIV/AIDS - Video games - People who consume Fox News - People who consume US local news - Anti-immigrant hysteria Roughly 1500 innocent individuals have been executed in the US. 100k's of innocent individuals languished slowly and l…

And the current one is all the fear about transgender people. America seems to always need to be afraid of some group of people

I recently read the Fate Horror Toolkit. It's a tabletop role-playing book dedicated to writing/improvising horror stories. They try to trace typical horror plots/clichés to the underlying social fears, typically of US society. Very interesting read for people who are into storytelling.

And yes, there are a few paragraphs about transgender fear in horror.

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Post by ropable »

transcoderx wrote: post #54
watwut wrote: post #49

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This is a lie. The moral panic is about pronouns, puberty blockers, about mental health counselling. The moral panic is trying to make books about transgender and gay banned. It is about closing libraries when they refuse to comply.

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> And btw hormone blockers are not harmless.

Untrue. We’ve been using them for more than 30 years for kids who start puberty at a super young age (it’s called precocious puberty). And as best as science can tell, those kids are healthy when they grow up

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Post by stareatgoats »

Horrible as stories like this are, I always find them lacking because any possible rational reasons for such moral panics are left out. We are left with vague assumptions that they happen because people are "mentally unstable", which is not a lot different than "possessed" TBH.

I remember this time, and I also remember that it was the beginning of the unfettered internet, with things like porn and even CSAM content suddenly being just a few clicks away, and catching on like wildfire. I remember thinking: this is actually a normal reaction of normal women in aggregate when they feel that children are under threat.

There be likely other driving forces here too, but the explanation that lots of (other) people are suddenly gripped by moral panic for no specific reason isn't credible.

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Post by marvin »

Timon3 wrote: post #44
mpweiher wrote: post #37

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Do you really not notice that you are right now, in that comment participating in a moral panic?

This is too complex to summarize in one sentence, especially after parts of the US political right have adopted the tactics of the extreme left.

But summarizing, the hundreds of people who have lost their jobs over false allegations of e.g. racism or different forms of political incorrectness - such as quoting certain texts during a History lecture - would not agree with you.

Thankfully they weren’t thrown in prison or executed for it this time.

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Post by hoseja »

klyrs wrote: post #11
the_doctah wrote: post #9

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I think it's more about the children having radical surgery backed by zero scientific research. Couldn't care less what adults want do to themselves.

People believing that masses of children are literally getting surgery, circumcision notwithstanding, is a result of a persistent campaign to cause panic. And it's the same hucksters selling fear to the same religious reactionaries. New day, new apocalyptic scapegoat.

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Post by transcoderx »

zrail wrote: post #55
the_doctah wrote: post #9

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I think it's more about the children having radical surgery backed by zero scientific research. Couldn't care less what adults want do to themselves.

Children don't receive elective surgery. It's just not a thing, in any medical guidelines or ethics rules, anywhere in the country. Older teens, _extremely rarely_, are allowed to have top surgery, but it's case by case. Children _can_ receive puberty blockers, which _by definition_ are 100% completely reversible. The process to start treatment is universally difficult and involves multiple years of therapy and concu…

No, puberty blockers are not 100% reversible and they are not harmless, either. Surgeries are not rare, either - at least it is debatable what should be considered "rare".

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Post by beebeepka »

Freak_NL wrote: post #62
beebeepka wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just last week, when I was at a techno music gathering, a couple of my friends saw a guy in drag (it was more like over the top ball dress really) and were like "whoaa, did you see that". I had to remind them that we used to have scores of trannies attending these events in the past and and no one cared. But now, after the latest round of propaganda, we, as a society, fear them again.

Good point, but you may want to avoid the word 'tranny' when you mean transvestite (or preferably, cross-dresser or drag queen) or transsexual or transgender person. 'Tranny' has been embraced as a hateful slur and is generally considered offensive and derogatory. (Cf.: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/tranny )

Maybe this is why I am being downvoted. What should I use instead? I don't exactly follow the waves of nuspeak
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