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New Mexico is losing a form of Spanish spoken nowhere else

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Re: New Mexico is losing a form of Spanish spoken nowhere else

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Post by LudwigNagasena »

sdrothrock wrote: post #58
NelsonMinar wrote: post #38

New Mexico Hispanic culture is quite different from a lot of the rest of the US. And the rural areas were very isolated for a long time. So it has some other interesting historical Spanish cultural variants. A couple: The Penitentes, an ascetic Catholic group. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penitentes_(New_Mexico) The Crypto-Jews, usually thought to be a hundreds-years-old vestige of Judaism fleeing the Inquisition. T…

Just a heads up: "crypto Jew" is also an antisemitic buzz word, which is why I suspect the linked article says "hidden" instead.

That is getting so tiring. How are normal people supposed to navigate in this world where normal words[1] and expressions are constantly being re-analyzed as fascist dogwhistles?

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto-Judaism

Re: New Mexico is losing a form of Spanish spoken nowhere else

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Post by Bjorkbat »

NelsonMinar wrote: post #38

New Mexico Hispanic culture is quite different from a lot of the rest of the US. And the rural areas were very isolated for a long time. So it has some other interesting historical Spanish cultural variants. A couple: The Penitentes, an ascetic Catholic group. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penitentes_(New_Mexico) The Crypto-Jews, usually thought to be a hundreds-years-old vestige of Judaism fleeing the Inquisition. T…

We also have Genizaros (a kind of Spanish corruption of the word Janissary). They're descended from Native American slaves who were freed by the Spanish in exchange for settling on frontier outposts.

New Mexico's a strange place. Technically "New" Mexico is older than regular Mexico by over two centuries in that New Mexico earned its name as early as 1563.

Re: New Mexico is losing a form of Spanish spoken nowhere else

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Post by 25throw25 »

sdrothrock wrote: post #58
NelsonMinar wrote: post #38

New Mexico Hispanic culture is quite different from a lot of the rest of the US. And the rural areas were very isolated for a long time. So it has some other interesting historical Spanish cultural variants. A couple: The Penitentes, an ascetic Catholic group. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penitentes_(New_Mexico) The Crypto-Jews, usually thought to be a hundreds-years-old vestige of Judaism fleeing the Inquisition. T…

Just a heads up: "crypto Jew" is also an antisemitic buzz word, which is why I suspect the linked article says "hidden" instead.

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Re: New Mexico is losing a form of Spanish spoken nowhere else

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Post by 26throw26 »

sdrothrock wrote: post #58
NelsonMinar wrote: post #38

New Mexico Hispanic culture is quite different from a lot of the rest of the US. And the rural areas were very isolated for a long time. So it has some other interesting historical Spanish cultural variants. A couple: The Penitentes, an ascetic Catholic group. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penitentes_(New_Mexico) The Crypto-Jews, usually thought to be a hundreds-years-old vestige of Judaism fleeing the Inquisition. T…

Just a heads up: "crypto Jew" is also an antisemitic buzz word, which is why I suspect the linked article says "hidden" instead.

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Re: New Mexico is losing a form of Spanish spoken nowhere else

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Post by 27throw27 »

sdrothrock wrote: post #58
NelsonMinar wrote: post #38

New Mexico Hispanic culture is quite different from a lot of the rest of the US. And the rural areas were very isolated for a long time. So it has some other interesting historical Spanish cultural variants. A couple: The Penitentes, an ascetic Catholic group. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penitentes_(New_Mexico) The Crypto-Jews, usually thought to be a hundreds-years-old vestige of Judaism fleeing the Inquisition. T…

Just a heads up: "crypto Jew" is also an antisemitic buzz word, which is why I suspect the linked article says "hidden" instead.

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Re: New Mexico is losing a form of Spanish spoken nowhere else

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Post by throw19999999 »

sdrothrock wrote: post #58
NelsonMinar wrote: post #38

New Mexico Hispanic culture is quite different from a lot of the rest of the US. And the rural areas were very isolated for a long time. So it has some other interesting historical Spanish cultural variants. A couple: The Penitentes, an ascetic Catholic group. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penitentes_(New_Mexico) The Crypto-Jews, usually thought to be a hundreds-years-old vestige of Judaism fleeing the Inquisition. T…

Just a heads up: "crypto Jew" is also an antisemitic buzz word, which is why I suspect the linked article says "hidden" instead.

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Re: New Mexico is losing a form of Spanish spoken nowhere else

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Post by thequadehunter »

salomon812 wrote: post #17

This is my family. Sadly, the language dies with my generation. My father speaks this dialect of Spanish... or at least, he used to. We moved to Northern California when I was very little. But, if we had stayed in New Mexico, my cousins don't speak it either. I asked Dad why he didn't teach me. "What would I do? Speak it to myself?" I took Spanish in high school. My father really couldn't help me, some of the basic p…

Sadly all too common even with popular languages. I ask my dad why he never taught me Spanish and he just "didn't really think about it". Such a wasted opportunity for free goods.

Re: New Mexico is losing a form of Spanish spoken nowhere else

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Post by Bjorkbat »

chaostheory wrote: post #57

I don’t feel that this is a bad thing. Not being able to speak and understand each other’s languages just helps increase conflict due to less empathy. While there are cons to less spoken languages, overall the world would be better off with less spoken languages.

Language is pretty foundational to culture. When you lose a language you lose more than a way of speaking, but also the subtleties and emotions behind the "shape" of certain words, not to mention those words that reflect something so unique to that culture that you can't really translate them. The death of a language is the death of a world.

Saying there should be fewer spoken languages is frankly a very unempathetic thing to say.

Re: New Mexico is losing a form of Spanish spoken nowhere else

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Post by SOLAR_FIELDS »

thequadehunter wrote: post #67
salomon812 wrote: post #17

This is my family. Sadly, the language dies with my generation. My father speaks this dialect of Spanish... or at least, he used to. We moved to Northern California when I was very little. But, if we had stayed in New Mexico, my cousins don't speak it either. I asked Dad why he didn't teach me. "What would I do? Speak it to myself?" I took Spanish in high school. My father really couldn't help me, some of the basic p…

Sadly all too common even with popular languages. I ask my dad why he never taught me Spanish and he just "didn't really think about it". Such a wasted opportunity for free goods.

I was having a related discussion with my wife about why our nephews weren’t taught Spanish as a first language (we live in Texas, their dad is bilingual). Frankly, having English as your first language gives you a much higher advantage in life in the current zeitgeist. There’s no incentive to learn RandomLanguage first, but there is every incentive to learn English first.

Re: New Mexico is losing a form of Spanish spoken nowhere else

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Post by sdrothrock »

LudwigNagasena wrote: post #61
sdrothrock wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just a heads up: "crypto Jew" is also an antisemitic buzz word, which is why I suspect the linked article says "hidden" instead.

That is getting so tiring. How are normal people supposed to navigate in this world where normal words[1] and expressions are constantly being re-analyzed as fascist dogwhistles? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto-Judaism

My general impression, possibly out of ignorance, has been that there have always been lots of these and people (read: me) were just unaware of them. Some, like this (and "88" on usernames) are sometimes (often?) legitimate but have also been used as dog whistles... and fascism stains everything it touches.
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