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Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by jstimpfle » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 1:56 PM UTC

Aaargh20318 wrote: post #29

The big oversight here is that Priya does not want a job , what Priya wants is an income . The point of life is not working, the point of life is to enjoy it. We should strive to eliminate as many jobs as we possibly can, the less we have to work the better it is. To make this possible we need to find a way to a new system that doesn't directly link labour with income .

I'm not sure there is objectively a point of life, but what people need is a sense of purpose -- just enjoying life doesn't work. For many, their job is a large source of purpose.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by kweingar » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 1:56 PM UTC

theusus wrote: post #14

theusus wrote: post #8

This is a really pessimistic and shallow article. Who will prompt the AI for code? Manager? Also, you mentioned it gave wrong result at first. How did you know? Because you know how to code. As mentioned in other comment she should learn more about programming so she can become indispensible.

Also, the article is classical fallacy https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-emotion

The author wrote a piece describing how they feel about something. It’s not making an argument at a debate. There’s no fallacy.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by brokencode » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 1:56 PM UTC

sveme wrote: post #28

Beaver117 wrote: post #11

Just hurry up and automate everyone's jobs so we can get UBI

But that would require that we start taxing companies far more and stop the global tax evasion mechanisms. I fear automation is just going to further increase inequality and devastate the middle class. But that has been predicted for every new increase in automation, so maybe we‘ll be wrong again.

If everybody is unemployed, then we’ll have plenty of time to to protest and demand major social changes. Hopefully we will have enough leverage to actually make it happen.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by bitL » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 1:56 PM UTC

yawnxyz wrote: post #26

In the future there'll probably be two kinds of people: the ones wielding Magic (aka LLMs)... and the ones trying to hold on to a world before Magic arrived, slowly getting eaten up by the Magic.

I bet the distribution would end up like income inequality in Brazil - 0.1% will be magicians, 99.9% will live short brutish lives trying to outcheat each other for survival.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by etrautmann » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 1:56 PM UTC

Aaargh20318 wrote: post #29

The big oversight here is that Priya does not want a job , what Priya wants is an income . The point of life is not working, the point of life is to enjoy it. We should strive to eliminate as many jobs as we possibly can, the less we have to work the better it is. To make this possible we need to find a way to a new system that doesn't directly link labour with income .

While true, it seems less likely that we'll somehow solve the myriad political challenges to enable universal income than the possibility that AI tools will cause a further concentration of wealth in a small number of hands.

while there's a case for idealism, without some degree of pragmatism we'll be lost on policy or regulation proposals.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by scarface74 » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 1:56 PM UTC

> got the answer wrong in the first try, but some chain-of-thought prompting and boom. GPT4 gave the correct answer in 1/10th the time it would take Priya and cost a lot less.

I’ve used ChatGPT to write some simple AWS automation scripts. It’s right 90% of the time after some prompting. But I still have to have enough domain knowledge to know if it’s correct. It’s just a shortcut to make me more efficient. The same is true in this case. You can’t trust ChatGPT to get it right so you still have to know what you’re doing.

> I don’t see a long-term career in software anymore.

No one has a long term career in “programming”. That’s all ChatGPT is good for. After your first couple of years in the field, it becomes about translating business needs to code.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by mathverse » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 1:56 PM UTC

Aaargh20318 wrote: post #29

The big oversight here is that Priya does not want a job , what Priya wants is an income . The point of life is not working, the point of life is to enjoy it. We should strive to eliminate as many jobs as we possibly can, the less we have to work the better it is. To make this possible we need to find a way to a new system that doesn't directly link labour with income .

Those that envision utopias will soon realize that their work leads to creation of dystopia.

we are headed towards Elysium future with billions of humans competing for scraps.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by jprete » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 1:56 PM UTC

Robotbeat wrote: post #33

eropple wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? No really: why? Businesses are profit-seeking entities. Why not just fire nine people? You save money . (Yes, this could be a really stupid decision for the company in question. I agree with you. I'm not saying what should happen. I'm saying what will happen, and that that is really bad.)

All small businesses are not pure profit maximizers. Anyway even if they were, there’s MORE money to be made by empowering employees to use powerful tools which can increase revenues and profits much more than just firing. Doing so generates goodwill which improves employee effectiveness and drive.

Goodwill doesn’t pay the bills, most businesses don’t care, and most CEOs etc cannot acquire more customers and contracts fast enough to multiply the available work by ten in the time frame required.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by lucideer » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 1:56 PM UTC

10xDev wrote: post #42

Aaargh20318 wrote: post #29

The big oversight here is that Priya does not want a job , what Priya wants is an income . The point of life is not working, the point of life is to enjoy it. We should strive to eliminate as many jobs as we possibly can, the less we have to work the better it is. To make this possible we need to find a way to a new system that doesn't directly link labour with income .

During lockdowns the rate of depression and all sorts of mental and physical issues went up. Becoming unemployed may not be the exact same thing as a lockdown but less incentive to get up at a reasonable time or to leave the house would still lead to more overweight, lazy and depressed people.

> less incentive to get up at a reasonable time or to leave the house

People have plenty of natural incentives to leave the house ("reasonable time" is a sign of your own biases, but no doubt leaving the house is healthy regardless). The reason people don't do so is because there are strong economic disincentives to do so. This is not just obvious conscious disincentives like "I don't have time because I need to earn money online" & "I will have to pay for X, Y, Z in the city if I go out" but also much deeper more complex systematic disincentives like "I am chronically ill due to years of economically-linked stress and burnout" & "I feel depressed due to economically-linked lifelong trauma"

Healthy people don't need employers to incentivise them to leave the house. And unhealthy people don't need work, they need support.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by jonnycomputer » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 1:56 PM UTC

Aaargh20318 wrote: post #29

The big oversight here is that Priya does not want a job , what Priya wants is an income . The point of life is not working, the point of life is to enjoy it. We should strive to eliminate as many jobs as we possibly can, the less we have to work the better it is. To make this possible we need to find a way to a new system that doesn't directly link labour with income .

Yes, ultimately it will have to be something like that.

If the capitalists (i.e. those who own capital) can live off of ownership rather than labour, maybe someday all of us can. Because the alternative is unthinkable.