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Re: Codeberg – Fast open source alternative to GitHub

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Post by tannhaeuser »

flanked-evergl wrote: post #25

> No tracking. Your data is not for sale. Of course, Codeberg is not saying GitHub sells your data, but it seems to imply someone is selling your data if you don't use Codeberg and instead use other services. Is there any backing for this? Who sells your data if you use GitHub that won't sell your data when you use Codeberg?

No tracking is a major point for Codeberg; doesn't matter whether data is sold or not in times of FAANG - Google doesn't sell your data either but uses it to sell ads placement. Can't understand zealots pontificating about F/OSS, then turning to github to sell their user's clicks and eyeballs, and also give away very detailed sensor data (such as fixes in response to issues) for Copilot and future ChatGPT-based coding bots.

Re: Codeberg – Fast open source alternative to GitHub

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Post by mort96 »

misnome wrote: post #59
mort96 wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow, entitled much? Nobody owes you anything, nobody is obliged to host your code. If you want to use the same UI for your closed/work projects and your FOSS projects, you can host your own instance; Forgejo is FOSS. Codeberg seems to be focused at providing a free service to the FOSS community, _and that's okay_. You don't get to be mad at that.

You do if they are advertising as an alternative - that is specifically inviting comparisons.

They advertise themselves as an alternative to GitHub for FOSS projects. Nothing wrong with that.

Re: Codeberg – Fast open source alternative to GitHub

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Post by maxloh »

hk__2 wrote: post #44
jeppester wrote: post #41

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They are selling everyone's code through copilot

Copilot is trained on publicly available code.

"Publicly available" is different from "licensed under a FOSS license". Anyone other than the original author doesn't have the right to distribute, modify or even execute the code.

Even if the code is licensed under an open source license, in most cases it requires users to attribute the original author, while in some cases derivative work must be licensed under the same license too.

GitHub Copilot use the code without honoring these obligations.

Re: Codeberg – Fast open source alternative to GitHub

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Post by jraph »

allioeddie wrote: post #47
commoner wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Services don't need to handle every single use case to be viable alternatives. GitHub does host proprietary software, but it is most well known for being a place to collaborate on free and open source software. Codeberg addresses this primary use case in a more focused way than GitHub intends to, and because of this, Codeberg is an excellent alternative to GitHub.

This sort of myopic, self-important, holier-than-thou perspective is why the open source community is so rarely successful in anything it tries to do for itself. Whatever you think Github's most known or most useful featureset is, the fact of the matter is it dominates because they don't draw philosophical lines in the sand and exclude people as a result. It's a big tent, all are welcome, and as a result, it has near…

What if your goal is not being successful in term of absolute number of users no matter what but instead to promote something?

It's fortunate that sometimes people refuse to build big tents and instead push for a better world.

> They need to understand that contributions and use are driven by utility and convenience and economics, not morality

You are wrong. GNU's whole existence is for moral reasons, and their tools are pervasive and you "typically" depend on them. It might not be everybody, even most people, but it's still a thing.

> I frankly do not care about the ethos of FOSS enough

You need to understand that some people do, and will promote it.

> I don't want to learn a different UI for contributing to FOSS

And I don't like to have to use proprietary software to contribute to FOSS [1]. How do we do? Do we please you and go for GitHub, or do we work towards this goal?

I personally won't optimize for convenience no matter what. Convenience is killing our planet. We actually need to take our fingers out to make the world work. We can't live forever effortless. This is the pragmatic path, actually. I'm not arguing against convenience, I'm the first to like it, but things have various aspects worth taking in account, convenience only being one of them.

Not that I don't find Forgejo not convenient. Pretty much the opposite. I like its UX.

[1] https://drewdevault.com/2022/03/29/free-software-free-infras...

Re: Codeberg – Fast open source alternative to GitHub

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Post by kotatsuyaki »

I’m trying to migrate my personal repos from GitHub to Codeberg. The biggest challenge is to find a replacement for GitHub Actions (the free offering is so generous), and my current solution for that is to self-host an instance of Woodpecker CI [1].

I’d like to see even more diversity in Git hosting beyond “let’s all migrate from X to Y”, and for that to happen, Forgejo (the soft fork of Gitea that Codeberg runs) has already begun to implement federation [2], which can make cross-instance collaboration easier.

[1]: http://woodpecker-ci.org/ [2]: https://codeberg.org/forgejo/forgejo/issues/59

Re: Codeberg – Fast open source alternative to GitHub

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Post by raytube »

commoner wrote: post #55
allioeddie wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This sort of myopic, self-important, holier-than-thou perspective is why the open source community is so rarely successful in anything it tries to do for itself. Whatever you think Github's most known or most useful featureset is, the fact of the matter is it dominates because they don't draw philosophical lines in the sand and exclude people as a result. It's a big tent, all are welcome, and as a result, it has near…

> I don't want to learn a different UI for contributing to FOSS than the one I use for my daily work. Codeberg is an instance of the FOSS forge platform Forgejo, which is a fork of Gitea. As FOSS projects, Forgejo and Gitea can be used to host any kind of software, proprietary or open source, without restriction. It is entirely possible for a person to use Forgejo/Gitea to contribute to both work projects and off-wor…

I don't know how deep copilot delves, and if it has access to all repos, but I am not comfortable with that. I am not even comfortable with a major player such as MS having access to intellectual gold.

Re: Codeberg – Fast open source alternative to GitHub

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Post by toastercat »

allioeddie wrote: post #47
commoner wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Services don't need to handle every single use case to be viable alternatives. GitHub does host proprietary software, but it is most well known for being a place to collaborate on free and open source software. Codeberg addresses this primary use case in a more focused way than GitHub intends to, and because of this, Codeberg is an excellent alternative to GitHub.

This sort of myopic, self-important, holier-than-thou perspective is why the open source community is so rarely successful in anything it tries to do for itself. Whatever you think Github's most known or most useful featureset is, the fact of the matter is it dominates because they don't draw philosophical lines in the sand and exclude people as a result. It's a big tent, all are welcome, and as a result, it has near…

> the open source community is so rarely successful in anything it tries to do for itself.

What are you basing this on? I use open-source tools and products everyday for work.

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