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Re: Humanness in the Age of AI

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Post by pessimizer »

germinalphrase wrote: post #59
50 wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It makes me think of that astonishing line by Susan Sontag: "The [_____] race is the cancer of human history; it is the [_____] race and it alone—its ideologies and inventions—which eradicates autonomous civilizations wherever it spreads, which has upset the ecological balance of the planet, which now threatens the very existence of life itself." But also Emil Cioran: "What makes bad [technologists] worse is that the…

Why censor Sontag’s statement? However people feel about her statement, she chose those words.

Your instincts are wrong. HN has been a safe place as far as I've ever known (imo you're modded for being unreasonable or irrelevant here - even dumb is fine), but it's not safe to assume that you can say things bluntly in any forum just because they're true and said in good faith. It may read as bravery, but it's really just hubris. They'll delete you and tell other people to delete you. They'll report you to police. They'll ask your friends and family members why they're bad people for not shunning you.

Magical incantations and bad words are also the easiest things to avoid while still being very aggressive. Adhering to arbitrary pieties in form is actually a nice shield against people who are allergic to substance.

Re: Humanness in the Age of AI

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Post by pessimizer »

jstanley wrote: post #58
latexr wrote: post #41

Sam Altman is behind both OpenAI and Worldcoin, the latter being a well known scam to gather biometric data. So Sam Altman first creates the situation that we can no longer distinguish humans from bots, then asks everyone to trust him with even more biometric data to get around the problem he created. Either way he wins at everyone else’s expense. I urge you to not take this at face value, Sam has already shown with…

> we can no longer distinguish humans from bots I was tricked by a machine yesterday. I had to call up the bank because their online banking website had booted me out. After only a couple of rings, and no hold music, I was straight through to a person! This is unprecedented. The call was something like: "Hi, you're through to foobank. How can I help you today?" "Hi, your online banking has locked me out and said I ne…

My only problem with these are that they are slow and difficult to navigate: menus tell you everything they can do, and you can fairly quickly figure out if you need to talk to a person. Instead, I've got to go back and forth with a machine that has a rudimentary understanding of English and offloads understanding of the problem to what is essentially a menu on the back end. So instead, it's 10 minutes of trying to divine what keywords are doing what, and then giving up and starting the process of waiting for someone who can help you.

I'm not bothered by the fact that my servants aren't people, it cheers me up. It's not a good job for a person, it is a very bad job with very bad pay.

Re: Humanness in the Age of AI

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Post by pessimizer »

jt2190 wrote: post #57
latexr wrote: post #41

Sam Altman is behind both OpenAI and Worldcoin, the latter being a well known scam to gather biometric data. So Sam Altman first creates the situation that we can no longer distinguish humans from bots, then asks everyone to trust him with even more biometric data to get around the problem he created. Either way he wins at everyone else’s expense. I urge you to not take this at face value, Sam has already shown with…

> So Sam Altman first creates the situation that we can no longer distinguish humans from bots… Any time human communication is mediated by technology there’s the chance that the communication is not really what it seems to be. Are we watching live events on TV or a recording of live events or a reenactment of actual events or complete fiction? In some sense, on the internet everything is already a bot , it’s just th…

I'm absolutely on the train for the complete debasement of media, especially mass media. All of those networks of trust that we've been told are unwieldy at scale to implement are going to become a necessity. We'll finally be able to break people of the habit of using TV as a certificate authority.

Re: Humanness in the Age of AI

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Post by ChatGTP »

50 wrote: post #56
aorth wrote: post #20

Ah, Worldcoin has set up booths at many shopping malls here in Kenya. The first time I saw them a few months ago I was reminded of the "OneCoin" pyramid scam that was big in East Africa a few years ago. https://www.theregister.com/2022/12/20/crypto_ponzi_scheme_c... Worldcoin gives off really similar vibes. The footer of their website reads: > Worldcoin tokens are not intended to be available to people or companies w…

It makes me think of that astonishing line by Susan Sontag: "The [_____] race is the cancer of human history; it is the [_____] race and it alone—its ideologies and inventions—which eradicates autonomous civilizations wherever it spreads, which has upset the ecological balance of the planet, which now threatens the very existence of life itself." But also Emil Cioran: "What makes bad [technologists] worse is that the…

White race ?

Re: Humanness in the Age of AI

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Post by factchecker-123 »

50 wrote: post #56
aorth wrote: post #20

Ah, Worldcoin has set up booths at many shopping malls here in Kenya. The first time I saw them a few months ago I was reminded of the "OneCoin" pyramid scam that was big in East Africa a few years ago. https://www.theregister.com/2022/12/20/crypto_ponzi_scheme_c... Worldcoin gives off really similar vibes. The footer of their website reads: > Worldcoin tokens are not intended to be available to people or companies w…

It makes me think of that astonishing line by Susan Sontag: "The [_____] race is the cancer of human history; it is the [_____] race and it alone—its ideologies and inventions—which eradicates autonomous civilizations wherever it spreads, which has upset the ecological balance of the planet, which now threatens the very existence of life itself." But also Emil Cioran: "What makes bad [technologists] worse is that the…

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Re: Humanness in the Age of AI

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Post by ChatGTP »

50 wrote: post #56
aorth wrote: post #20

Ah, Worldcoin has set up booths at many shopping malls here in Kenya. The first time I saw them a few months ago I was reminded of the "OneCoin" pyramid scam that was big in East Africa a few years ago. https://www.theregister.com/2022/12/20/crypto_ponzi_scheme_c... Worldcoin gives off really similar vibes. The footer of their website reads: > Worldcoin tokens are not intended to be available to people or companies w…

It makes me think of that astonishing line by Susan Sontag: "The [_____] race is the cancer of human history; it is the [_____] race and it alone—its ideologies and inventions—which eradicates autonomous civilizations wherever it spreads, which has upset the ecological balance of the planet, which now threatens the very existence of life itself." But also Emil Cioran: "What makes bad [technologists] worse is that the…

But also Emil Cioran: "What makes bad [technologists] worse is that they [are steeped only in tech-centric thought]“

An absolutely beautiful truth there.

Re: Humanness in the Age of AI

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Post by ritzaco »

capableweb wrote: post #52
latexr wrote: post #41

Sam Altman is behind both OpenAI and Worldcoin, the latter being a well known scam to gather biometric data. So Sam Altman first creates the situation that we can no longer distinguish humans from bots, then asks everyone to trust him with even more biometric data to get around the problem he created. Either way he wins at everyone else’s expense. I urge you to not take this at face value, Sam has already shown with…

I don't know the exact implementation of Worldcoin, so correct me if I'm wrong here. But theoretically, you could implement the protocol in a privacy-preserving manner where the only thing that needs to be saved, is the hash of the biometric data, not the biometric data itself. So lets say that your face + fingerprint + iris each outputs a value. Concat those and hash them, and you have a unique value that can be rep…

at the point where you regularly have to scan that combination into a potentially malicious or compromised machine that knows how to generate and transmit the hash, you may as well just trust some centralised authority to store the originals.

If someone MITMs your password, you can rotate it. A bit harder to do that with your iris.

Of course, true for fingerprint scanning too which has been around for a while, but iris kind of takes that to a new minority report level for many.

Re: Humanness in the Age of AI

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Post by calculated »

notahacker wrote: post #45
calculated wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok what about going to court, submitting evidence - a video of someone committing fraud?

I'd rather like it if I was able to submit evidence in court without giving a scan of my iris to an agent working for an overseas registered cryptocurrency startup, and don't really see how Worldcoin helps either way with authenticating my video...

I wasn’t talking about worldcoin but generally. In the future there will have to be changes because everyone would be able to fake a video. Submission has nothing to do with it I was talking about the deepfaked video itself.
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