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GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by flyingcircus3 »

KMnO4 wrote: post #4

I don’t think I would buy a car that didn’t have CarPlay. I’m an iPhone user and have no interest in changing my phone. People reject cars all the time for even more trivial things (oh — this one doesn’t have wireless charging? Next.), so I can’t imagine this being a smart idea for GM.

The reactions in this thread are interesting, because they seem to imply that this is the final straw that has convinced us to not buy Chevrolets and Buicks, as opposed to the last 30+ years of of their products being generally terrible.

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by gnicholas »

devinegan wrote: post #50

I haven’t seen anyone mention car rentals in this thread. It is a huge bonus to have an interface, maps, music, etc you know and trust. When renting a car in the last 5 years it is basically standard to have access to CarPlay, and it is the same system many of us use in our own cars. Will rental companies buy vehicles without it, and support this move too?

This is a good point, but pretty much all rental companies have GM vehicles, and renters get stuck with whatever is available. I doubt renters will change their behaviors because they won't be able to effectively avoid GM vehicles. So as a result, rental companies won't change their behavior either.

It will just suck for renters a bit more than before.

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by voisin »

imwithstoopid wrote: post #58
lotsofpulp wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to mention, isn’t CarPlay just an interface for the phone to be able to connect to so the screen can display the software operating on the phone? Near zero cost to GM, tons of convenience for GM’s customers. I can only imagine GM wants customers’ data or subscription fees, and Apple will not allow that. And this is a business that got bailed out by US taxpayers, and is explicitly too big to fail.

problem is (from GM's perspective), with CarPlay, Apple takes over the UX of the car...the Apple logo is the first and last thing people see when driving GM doesn't want Apple or Google taking over the UX of the car, because then GM is eventually just another FoxConn and sure, there's a money thing...they want revshare from Spotify and every other app they can position in the UI CarPlay and Android Auto will be gone…

> the Apple logo is the first and last thing people see when driving

This isn’t how it works in my Dodge. There is a Dodge logo / startup screen first, then a “don’t use screen while driving sign that I am forced to accept every time” and then it shows me CarPlay.

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by voisin »

pc86 wrote: post #13
KMnO4 wrote: post #4

I don’t think I would buy a car that didn’t have CarPlay. I’m an iPhone user and have no interest in changing my phone. People reject cars all the time for even more trivial things (oh — this one doesn’t have wireless charging? Next.), so I can’t imagine this being a smart idea for GM.

Not only that but wireless CarPlay. I recently picked up a '23 RAV4 and I didn't think it would matter but the difference is noticeable. At least in this model it's connected before I'm even out of my garage.

I don’t understand why this can’t be an OTA update? Maybe with slightly less functionality but why can’t it just Bluetooth CarPlay?

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by lotsofpulp »

gnicholas wrote: post #63
devinegan wrote: post #50

I haven’t seen anyone mention car rentals in this thread. It is a huge bonus to have an interface, maps, music, etc you know and trust. When renting a car in the last 5 years it is basically standard to have access to CarPlay, and it is the same system many of us use in our own cars. Will rental companies buy vehicles without it, and support this move too?

This is a good point, but pretty much all rental companies have GM vehicles, and renters get stuck with whatever is available. I doubt renters will change their behaviors because they won't be able to effectively avoid GM vehicles. So as a result, rental companies won't change their behavior either. It will just suck for renters a bit more than before.

Maybe, maybe not. I would pay $10 more per day for a car with CarPlay.

And I would pick Enterprise over Avis if it came down to availability of CarPlay.

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by kstrauser »

nickthegreek wrote: post #41
KMnO4 wrote: post #4

I don’t think I would buy a car that didn’t have CarPlay. I’m an iPhone user and have no interest in changing my phone. People reject cars all the time for even more trivial things (oh — this one doesn’t have wireless charging? Next.), so I can’t imagine this being a smart idea for GM.

Back in 2017, I didnt buy a toyota for the first time because they didn't offer carplay. I refuse to be stuck with a subpar experience for the 10 years I normally keep a vehicle. Absolutely ridiculous to not support both CarPlay and Android Auto.

That's where I'm at. Our 2016 Toyota has their horrible Entune system, and however much I like everything else about it, that thing irritates me every time I look at it.

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by nozzlegear »

> GM’s move to restrict access to CarPlay and Android Auto […] will help the automaker capture more data on its customers’ driving, listening, and charging habits. It could also help inform future subscription products, as automakers across the board are seeking to generate more revenue beyond just selling cars.

Yeah no thanks. I have a 2023 Chevy Bolt EUV that I absolutely love, but I will not be buying another GM vehicle if this is what they’re going to be doing.

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by Niksko »

I own a pretty old car, so haven't got the bells and whistles. But I've just rented a new model Camry for the last 3 weeks, and here's my takeaways:

Android Auto is much better than Apple Carplay. Carplay was janky and the navigation stuttered. Also the layout of the on-screen UI was weird, and poorly thought out. As usual I think, Android Auto is probably designed to work ok on any size screen and gracefully degrade. Carplay is probably impeccable on a few cars and crap on the rest (like this Camry).

But my pain point is that it would be easy not to notice that this exists. My mum for example has a very new car, I'm sure it supports Android Auto, I'd be shocked if she knew it exists. GM could make plenty of money from people who don't know Android Auto/Carplay exists (or from those that prefer to not need a phone), while still supporting Auto/Carplay for those that want it.

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