OpenAI faces complaint to FTC that seeks suspension of ChatGPT releases

Post by ben_w » Thu, Mar 30, 2023, 4:12 PM UTC

chatmasta wrote: post #61

ben_w wrote: post #60

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> That article doesn't mention a service that was open to users So? Most AI isn't. It's not all consumer products. > not to mention the point of the article is that AI had fewer false positives and false negatives than doctors, which would invalidate the premise of this argument I can say that about Tesla FSD. Press release overconfidence works both ways.

> So? Most AI isn't. It's not all consumer products. You are moving the goal posts. Your argument was that non-Tesla AI has killed its users. There were no users of the service mentioned in the article, ergo none of them could have been killed by it. > I can say that about Tesla FSD. The difference is that Tesla FSD is actively used, and its false negatives and positives have actually killed people. My argument was n…

Post by seanhunter » Thu, Mar 30, 2023, 4:26 PM UTC

  >  “Deceptive” practices are defined in the Commission’s Policy Statement on Deception as involving a material representation, omission or practice that is likely to mislead a consumer acting reasonably in the circumstances. An act or practice is “unfair” if it “causes or is likely to cause substantial injury to consumers which is not reasonably avoidable by consumers themselves and not outweighed by countervailing benefits to consumers or to competition.” 

Post by boringuser2 » Thu, Mar 30, 2023, 4:33 PM UTC

marcc wrote: post #2

What do they expect to happen if they win? OpenAI can't use GPT-4 (or build/release GPT-5), but the innovation will continue in areas of the world not subject to this regular? I understand that the LLM models are advancing quickly and aren't easily explainable or transparent. The models feel like magic at times. But that doesn't mean society should shut them down. This is fearful behavior and spreading FUD really. Th…

Post by boringuser2 » Thu, Mar 30, 2023, 4:35 PM UTC

rvz wrote: post #55

marcc wrote: post #2

What do they expect to happen if they win? OpenAI can't use GPT-4 (or build/release GPT-5), but the innovation will continue in areas of the world not subject to this regular? I understand that the LLM models are advancing quickly and aren't easily explainable or transparent. The models feel like magic at times. But that doesn't mean society should shut them down. This is fearful behavior and spreading FUD really. Th…

> I understand that the LLM models are advancing quickly and aren't easily explainable or transparent. The models feel like magic at times. This is exactly why LLMs aren't useful or trustworthy for anything serious other than the niche of summarization of existing text. Even with that, you have to keep checking that it isn't hallucinating or bullshitting. > These folks should take the time to understand how an LLM wo…

Post by nickthegreek » Thu, Mar 30, 2023, 5:07 PM UTC

boringuser2 wrote: post #67

nickthegreek wrote: post #11

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I think the argument is that no harm has actually been shown and there is no legal reason to have one of the fastest growing companies hamstrung while Big Tech gets it's shit together.

It's a terrible argument. The harm is transparent and greatly eclipses most other threats to cybersecurity.