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Tell HN: I stopped caring about personal development in tech after seeing GPT-4

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Re: Tell HN: I stopped caring about personal development in tech after seeing GPT-4

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder how can the future architect get there, if going through the junior stages is suddenly not an option anymore. Because those all-understanding software architects don't just pop into existence.

Maybe we'll finally invest into a real education and training pipeline, instead of making people figure out everything on the job, like other professions.

Hard to figure out how to innovate on education (slow to change institutions) in the face of such rapid change.

I actually feel my university education prepared me well for what’s going on. I studied a mix of theoretical comp science, physics, philosophy, and mathematics (esp calculus and number theory). Very little of what I learned is obsoleted, and especially probability theory and NLP are turning out to be very valuable to know when working with even CoPilot.

But man, I feel bad for those studying “programming” as a trade rather than computer science as a scientific / engineering discipline.

Re: Tell HN: I stopped caring about personal development in tech after seeing GPT-4

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If you are writing code as if you are a prompt yourself: specs in, code out. Then yes, I would get worried.

But most developers do and know much more than that. They have domain knowledge, understand the relation between different systems and understand the codebase as a whole, not just a specific file or function that does one specific thing.

Don't give up. Try to use this new tool to improve your knowledge and use it to you advantage.

Re: Tell HN: I stopped caring about personal development in tech after seeing GPT-4

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For what it’s worth, I’ve been trying to verify the claim from Microsoft and OpenAI that we would get more software in the future when the price of software would decrease. In other words, they claim that there is a supply problem for software and not a demand problem. So far, I find it a pretty extreme statement, but it appears true here in the Netherlands. Most employees that I talk to at various industries can imm…

There's already a whole industry of no-/low-code platforms that try to solve that very problem, Airtable etc. And a lot of companies have been very successful adopting them… or the last half dozen waves of digitalization. But in my experience, there's some hard to solve bottlenecks for those sorts of organizations that still insist on largely paper-based workflows: 1. Their workflows are such a byzantine mess that ei…

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Re: Tell HN: I stopped caring about personal development in tech after seeing GPT-4

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I wouldn't worry. It's code output is 50% garbage. I'm not in fear of my job. All the hypsters assuming this will destroy lawyers, accountants, doctors etc clearly don't understand correctness isn't something they can just tag on to a prediction machine.

Can you show me sample prompts where GPT4 gives garbage? I am yet to find one.

I was trying to create an AWS IAM policy restricted to assumed roles. I didn't know you can't use assumed roles in principalArn conditions blocks but must refer to the IAM role instead. Gpt4 happily wasted an hour by shuffling the conditions around etc instead of telling me this. Sometimes it's policies were even malformed, and in all cases they didn't work.

Re: Tell HN: I stopped caring about personal development in tech after seeing GPT-4

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I wait for the moment it gains consciousness it's AI and not us (ours).

ChatGPT's answer:

> While AI can enhance our productivity and efficiency, it cannot replace our ability to learn, grow, and adapt to new challenges.

> Therefore, it is important to view AI as a complement to our skills and knowledge

        As an AI language model, I do not have personal opinions or emotions. However, I can provide some insights on the topic of AI and its impact on the tech industry.

        It is understandable to feel discouraged or demotivated when faced with the capabilities of advanced AI models such as GPT-4. These models have demonstrated remarkable skills in various domains, including natural language processing, computer vision, and even software development. However, it is important to note that AI technology is still evolving and has its limitations. While AI can assist in automating certain tasks, it cannot replace human creativity, intuition, and problem-solving skills.

        Moreover, AI technology is not a substitute for continuous learning and personal development in the tech industry. The rapid pace of technological innovation requires professionals to stay up-to-date with the latest trends, standards, and best practices. While AI can enhance our productivity and efficiency, it cannot replace our ability to learn, grow, and adapt to new challenges.

        Therefore, it is important to view AI as a complement to our skills and knowledge, rather than a threat or a replacement. As the tech industry evolves, it will continue to create new opportunities and challenges for professionals to thrive and make a meaningful impact.

Re: Tell HN: I stopped caring about personal development in tech after seeing GPT-4

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These GPT programs literally don't know what the code does (or the meaning of their output in general). They are Large Language Models. They just know (roughly) how to make responses in a particular language that make sense (english, C++, wingdings). They do not understand the "sense that is made" however. This requires subject matter experts, like yourself, to use and implement. These LLM are tools. They are not sen…

Whether the model "knows" something or not is irrelevant. It makes expert skills much less valuable. A big boon for individual productivity if you are not an expert in some field. What worries experts like the OP is their skills become much much less important. If you are an expert in some area and suddenly everyone else catches up almost, it will surely impact your wages.

The OP spoke about personal development, not wage and market value. I would advise everyone to "work to live" not "live to work".

> If you are an expert in some area and suddenly everyone else catches up almost, it will surely impact your wages.

Find something that compels you and don't be a wage slave. That used to be what programmers did.

Re: Tell HN: I stopped caring about personal development in tech after seeing GPT-4

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History is full of inventions that changed the game for the people in a specific industry. Sometimes they allowed one person managing the machines to replace a team previously doing manual labor. I don’t think that’s the right metaphor here, because programming is not manual labor. The parts of programming that are like manual labor will disappear, you’ll instruct the AI to do it for you. But you need to know what to prompt it with and how to verify its output and plumb it into your code. Speed of writing code is rarely the bottleneck, so speeding that part up doesn’t double your productivity. Still, it helps.

I’ve been programming with the assistance of copilot for a year now, and using ChatGPT as well since 3.5. These tools are amazing, I’m never going back. But to me they’ve only increased the value of the senior engineer with deep domain knowledge. It makes me more productive. But I have to come up with the requirements, correct the AIs code, do all the plumbing that it can’t do efficiently. A lot of the code it comes up with is pure garbage, I have to know enough to know the difference. It does kind of replace a junior developer a little, if you were giving them grunt work tasks, which could be an issue when starting out in this field.

There is so much more that software engineers do than just writing code. That’s really a minority of the time each day for me. If you’re familiar with Amdahl’s law, then you know there’s a mathematical limit to the productivity improvement here.

Re: Tell HN: I stopped caring about personal development in tech after seeing GPT-4

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I have the opposite take... there's a program I use (and ties me to Windows) called WikidPad[1], it's a personal Wiki, written in Python. The win32 version works great, and because it's compiled (back in 2018), the binary should do so forever. The Linux distribution is source based, and broke when WxWidgets changed the name/nature of some key parameters to its calls. I'm a Pascal programmer, not a Python programmer..…

> his is the first time I've seen it applied to programming. Programming is just a means to an end. I've never considered programming to be an industry. C++ versus Pascal mindset. :) > This is the first time I've seen it applied to programming. Programming is just a means to an end. I've never considered programming to be an industry. Yes and no. It did not replace the good accountants who actually orchestrated the w…

Incredibly arrogant, disrespectful, and false. Junior devs who actually write code are beneath you and don't use "analytical thinking" or have to understand processes or dependencies? Ridiculous.

GPT-4 can do all of that stuff. Probably as well or better than you. If you think you still are better, can you do it literally for 24 hours a day? How about 3-6 months from now, are you going to become 50-500% faster/better at your job?

I would love to see a few samples of some real world "architecting" that you have done in the last few months along with the calendar schedule you did that on and then compare you head-to-head with GPT4 and a junior dev. And then we show your executives how that went. Sound good?

Re: Tell HN: I stopped caring about personal development in tech after seeing GPT-4

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I wouldn't worry. It's code output is 50% garbage. I'm not in fear of my job. All the hypsters assuming this will destroy lawyers, accountants, doctors etc clearly don't understand correctness isn't something they can just tag on to a prediction machine.

This mindset just artificially downplays the fact that it will get incrementally better, multiple times, and strikingly quickly. It’s insanely shortsighted IMO. You don’t have to believe AI is the next coming of Jesus to recognize it’s reached a point (or soon will) to be genuinely disruptive. Corporate execs will absolutely and quickly pursue using AI to reduce costs and speed up development. At the expense of employees.
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