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Re: Goodbye AdSense

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Post by ajuc »

robk wrote: post #52
asto wrote: post #17

Ha! This is nothing. I actually know why my adsense account doesn't work. Google thinks I'm trying to scam them by creating multiple accounts because they have another account on their database with the EXACT same address and phone number. That's not a duplicate account Google, it's called a brother!

Why would you and your brother have the same phone number? Surely you each have a different mobile number.

There are this things called stationary phones. Some people still use them.

Also - some people don't have mobile phone because they don't want to be available all the time. As popular as moblie phones are, there is no law that says everyone should have them.

Re: Goodbye AdSense

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Post by unreal37 »

zobzu wrote: post #24
unreal37 wrote: post #13

The appeal seemed half-hearted to me. His answers were basically "no", "no", "no idea", "i don't know"... Maybe he doesn't really care to be reinstated. Although he cared enough to write an article and post it to Hacker News...

err and did you read the questions? not like if he could invent replies. pretty obviously if he had replied yes to any of those it would mean he had been able to find out what caused adsense to disable his account.

If I were in that position, I would have done research and posted details in the answers. "I checked my log files, and received an average of X visitors over December, which compares to Y visitors over November. I also noticed IP Address K was crawling my site daily and I can't determine who they are, so I blocked their access. Perhaps that was the source of the abuse."

A little effort might have gone farther. Or who knows, maybe it would have had no effect.

Re: Goodbye AdSense

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Post by yaix »

AmazingMe wrote: post #50
yaix wrote: post #37

G has done this for the past 8 years, if you have AdSense, it is not a question if you get banned, but when you will get banned. What surprises me much more is that there is still no valid alternative. After 8 years! MS has tried to build something and failed. Y! of course failed. Then there's Entrieweb's SpeedyAds which are so bad I think they are not even working on them any more. Nobody seems to be able to build a…

Maybe Facebook should launch their ad-sense now.

Have they already figured out how to run ads on their own site efficiently? I think CTR and RPM are still unsolved issues for Fb. I may be wrong, never bought Fb ads myself.

Re: Goodbye AdSense

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Post by Tpsoc »

robomartin wrote: post #26

This is all bad karma for Google. At some point they'll do this to the wrong person and, when that happens, I do hope that they pay the price in mega-bucks. This is no way to treat decent and honest partners. It is, without a doubt, being evil. I experienced another surreal variant of this a few years ago. We had some 200 domains in GoDaddy's "Cash Parking" program. They were there for probably a year when someone ma…

In my case, I got extra lucky. I had an account their Google Affiliate Network (GAN) (moved between a 3-bar and 4-bar publisher monthly) as well that was canned because Google told me to combine my accounts.

Now, let's assume I was guilty of click fraud that they are accusing me of with Adsense, kicking me off GAN which was all commission based (% of an order from my sites) makes no sense at all to me from a business standpoint.

Re: Goodbye AdSense

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Post by richdougherty »

stevencorona wrote: post #16

I used to work for a "big adnetwork" and this is how it worked there.. AdSense is probably similar. We tracked conversions, where possible, on our advertisers end and used that data to calculate conversions per click for our publishers. We'd use this metric, mixed with a few others (ctr, # of impressions, # of fraudulent clicks, etc, but mainly weighted towards cvr) to generate a quality score for the publisher. The…

Why not just pay the publisher the (possibly low) value of their traffic, while also providing the publisher with the tools they need to improve their traffic quality? If the site never improves then it simply never makes any money.

Re: Goodbye AdSense

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Post by NickEubanks »

I have had a similar experience of AdSense from Hell, thank GOD it is not my source of income or it would be very bad. But essentially AdSense was unable to access my website early on and decided to set the account to 'INACTIVE' after repeated attempts (upwards of 10) to reach out to AdSense support and having groups of people tweet at them (no response. ever.) They are still completely quiet and the 'return to AdSense home' link only persists to reload EXACTLY the same 'INACTIVE' message - perhaps the worst user experience on the internet. It has even gone so far as I have had a Google API Billing specialist whom I was coordinating with for some API stuff reach out to AdSense on my behalf after learning the details of my case, and even he said there is no hope...

Re: Goodbye AdSense

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Post by asto »

robk wrote: post #52
asto wrote: post #17

Ha! This is nothing. I actually know why my adsense account doesn't work. Google thinks I'm trying to scam them by creating multiple accounts because they have another account on their database with the EXACT same address and phone number. That's not a duplicate account Google, it's called a brother!

Why would you and your brother have the same phone number? Surely you each have a different mobile number.

We both made the mistake of giving them both numbers. In retrospect, that was a bad move. Now, I can't even change it because my account is closed permanently and there's no way for me to contact them.

Re: Goodbye AdSense

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Post by stevencorona »

richdougherty wrote: post #65
stevencorona wrote: post #16

I used to work for a "big adnetwork" and this is how it worked there.. AdSense is probably similar. We tracked conversions, where possible, on our advertisers end and used that data to calculate conversions per click for our publishers. We'd use this metric, mixed with a few others (ctr, # of impressions, # of fraudulent clicks, etc, but mainly weighted towards cvr) to generate a quality score for the publisher. The…

Why not just pay the publisher the (possibly low) value of their traffic, while also providing the publisher with the tools they need to improve their traffic quality? If the site never improves then it simply never makes any money.

The networks see low quality publishers as diluting the overall quality of their network. Since advertisers only care about traffic that converts, low-quality traffic hurts stats because it makes CTRs and CVRs drop even if the overall CPC/CPA is the same.

There are absolutely ways to educate publishers and advertisers, but the easiest solution for the network is to just nip it at the bud and drop low-quality traffic.

Re: Goodbye AdSense

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Post by ashconnor »

white_devil wrote: post #48
gata wrote: post #20

I once used their very strict account disabling policy to get a competitor kicked from Google AdSense. It was not even that difficult. I just spent a couple of minutes every day visiting his website, clicking all the adsense links, closing all the openend tabs, reloading the page and so on. It took a few weeks, but then the ads just stopped showing up (despite the Javascript code still being loaded) and a few days la…

Interesting how you posted something that amounts to "I'm an asshole", just because it was relevant to the discussion.

But it is relevant and needs to be addressed.

Re: Goodbye AdSense

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Post by AJ007 »

white_devil wrote: post #48
gata wrote: post #20

I once used their very strict account disabling policy to get a competitor kicked from Google AdSense. It was not even that difficult. I just spent a couple of minutes every day visiting his website, clicking all the adsense links, closing all the openend tabs, reloading the page and so on. It took a few weeks, but then the ads just stopped showing up (despite the Javascript code still being loaded) and a few days la…

Interesting how you posted something that amounts to "I'm an asshole", just because it was relevant to the discussion.

Something that also could be construed as fraud, if not criminal then civil.
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