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Re: Docker

#61

okay so swarm is dead, but is kubernetes actually that good or is it just ubiquitous and you’re forced to use it today? what about nomad? or mrsk?

Swarm isn't dead: Mirantis still puts engineering resources into it and has plenty of businesses relying on it. Bunch of new features just released https://www.mirantis.com/blog/announcing-the-23-0-major-rele...

Re: Docker

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The narrative seems quite clear to me. They released the tooling and the services to become the defacto solution, and then Swarm was supposed to be the cashcow that turned that into cashflow. And then k8s happened. They've raised a tonne of capital, and it probably looked sane at the time. And now they're grasping at straws trying to figure out how else they can turn this into revenue. A lot of the recent narrative h…

> then Swarm was supposed to > be the cashcow that turned > that into cashflow. And then > k8s happened. We are still using Docker Swarm in production. It seems to be working fine so I always wondered why it never took off. But I am not a Devop. Can sb please give some insight on why kubernetes took off instead and why Dock Inc. failed with its cloud product?

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Re: Docker

#63

In its weird death spiral, if Docker Inc. were to be bought out by Microsoft, I shudder to think how much of the dev ecosystem would yet again depend on Microsoft's good graces to shoulder the burden of storage and data transfer costs for building products. They already do npm and Github (+ Github Container Registry) so they have some standing in being stewards in this space. On the plus side, it would perhaps give e…

> I shudder to think how much of the dev ecosystem would yet again depend on Microsoft's good graces to shoulder the burden of storage and data transfer costs for building products

Does that hint that the model of sending around megabytes-to-multigigabytes of VMs is inherently too expensive to maintain as a backbone for an awesome tool?

For the same reason, I wonder why provides Maven Central and NPM repositories, whether they will do it for free, but at least those are billions of small jars, not hundreds of thousands of gigabyte-sized VMs.

Re: Docker

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

k8s is good, I don't get the hate against k8s.

k8s is good, but complex, and thus not fit for everyone and everything, but gets overused to death due to being the most popular choice, thus you have a lot of people that dislike it due to bad experience.

There's an absolutely massive ecosystem of tooling around it to make a developer's life easier and abstract away the confusing parts. No one needs to write K8s manifests directly if they don't want to.

Re: Docker

#65

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solaris_Containers 2004 I will just leave it here.

Yes, Solaris was doing "containers" in the mainstream before Linux but pointing that out as a response to articles like these misses the point of how and why Docker exploded; it was Docker's UI, the user experience and Docker Hub that really unlocked the full potential of the technology.

Solaris containers didn't have anything like Docker Hub nor was setting them up as easy as "docker run".

(Posting as ex-Solaris guy)

Re: Docker

#66

I know I will get downvoted for this as off topic, but this is just the latest blog we've seen in this top 30 of many that show ZERO regard for legibility. Yes, I can zoom my browser, but c'mon. A 13px font for paragraph text is nearly hostile. It's not that legible to people with perfect eyesight, but then it's not at all legible to anyone with imperfect eyesight. It's like saying you don't care if anyone who reads…

FWIW I downvoted you for predicting that your comment would be downvoted.

Re: Docker

#67
> their boneheaded reversal following their boneheaded apology for their boneheaded decision

How can the decision and reversal both be boneheaded?

Re: Docker

#68

How does the Docker story compare to NPM who are also freely hosting a bunch if stuff, heavily downloaded and relying on some paid users but mostly free. And NPM has “competing” repositorys too. Could the same happen with NPM where they need to charge? I get that NPM packages are smaller than docker images typically.

This is a great point but do note that it is quite easy to setup [1] a private npm registry as well. Most orgs actually do just that as you really do not want a production build failing if npm goes down.

Either that or you vendor in your dependencies.

[1] https://smalldata.tech/blog/2023/03/17/setup-a-private-npm-r...

Re: Docker

#69

In its weird death spiral, if Docker Inc. were to be bought out by Microsoft, I shudder to think how much of the dev ecosystem would yet again depend on Microsoft's good graces to shoulder the burden of storage and data transfer costs for building products. They already do npm and Github (+ Github Container Registry) so they have some standing in being stewards in this space. On the plus side, it would perhaps give e…

they're hosting npm now? i didn't know

Re: Docker

#70

In its weird death spiral, if Docker Inc. were to be bought out by Microsoft, I shudder to think how much of the dev ecosystem would yet again depend on Microsoft's good graces to shoulder the burden of storage and data transfer costs for building products. They already do npm and Github (+ Github Container Registry) so they have some standing in being stewards in this space. On the plus side, it would perhaps give e…

> if Docker Inc. were to be bought out by Microsoft... You can always use Podman. We already have fully OSS solutions in the container space.

podman runs or builds containers? as far as i understand it docker desktop does 2 or 3 different things and i haven't managed to untangle that yet because it hasn't fully broken my workflow yet. getting more and more tempting to remove it but i need something for my weird windows+wsl setup
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