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Re: Adobe Firefly: AI Art Generator

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Post by tonmoy »

lelandfe wrote: post #50

From that page's FAQs: > trained on a dataset of Adobe Stock, along with openly licensed work and public domain content where copyright has expired > We do not train on any Creative Cloud subscribers’ personal content. For Adobe Stock contributors, the content is part of the Firefly training dataset, in accordance with Stock Contributor license agreements. The first model did not train on Behance. Not sure what "firs…

From Adobe's reddit post[1]: > We are developing a compensation model for Stock contributors. More info on that when we release

If they can properly compensate the stock contributors based on usage then I think this is a very fair approach.

[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/photoshop/comments/11xgft4/discussi...

Re: Adobe Firefly: AI Art Generator

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Post by ghaff »

spoiler wrote: post #44
m3kw9 wrote: post #21

This will supercharge artists, it won’t replace them because details matter and when you need to get it just right, you cannot just keep rolling the dice by “prompting better”

Agreed. I think it will decrease iteration time during an exploration phase for new artists or when you're not quite sure what you want and want to explore your idea space more quickly (and maybe even get new ideas as you iterate). It's similar with these coding AIs. A lot of the time it's great for the "blank page" phase of a project where you have to do all the "boring" stuff out of the way. Another great example (…

As a writer, I find ChatGPT can provide some vaguely useful scaffolding. On the other hand, I'm not someone who finds a blank page especially difficult to start writing on--and, in fact, I generally want to start off with something non-formulaic to draw a reader in. Still I can see it being helpful in a way that automated spellchecking and grammar checking is.

Re: Adobe Firefly: AI Art Generator

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Post by tensor »

motoxpro wrote: post #8

Interesting that the large company AI products (this, Microsoft copilot, etc) are so much more compelling than any of the startups I’ve seen. Makes me think that we haven’t seen what true innovation looks like in this space. Right now, AI is a feature, not a product. Edit: Not talking about the models themselves (stability, mid journey, GPT-x), talking about what is built on those models.

Microsoft is just licensing their technology from OpenAI, which is still a small company, if not still a startup.

Re: Adobe Firefly: AI Art Generator

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Post by dopeboy »

wongarsu wrote: post #46
dopeboy wrote: post #11

What this reinforces is that unlike with previous big innovations (cloud, iphone, etc), incumbents will not sit on their laurels with the AI wave. They are aggressively integrating it into their products which (1) provides a relatively cheap step function upgrade and (2) keeps the barrier high for startups to use AI as their wedge. I attribute the speed at which incumbents are integrating AI into their products to a…

Another point is that many of the incumbents have seen the trend for far longer than the general public, and had time to gather inhouse talent. For example this isn't Adobe's first stint into generative AI, back in 2016 they announced (and quietly dropped after the backlash) Adobe VoCo, "photoshop for voice".

This is a great point. It appears the success of OpenAPI has validated their approach, specifically around (1) using the web as a training set and (2) using transformers.

I imagine a lot conversations with in-house AI folks is around deploying these methods.

Re: Adobe Firefly: AI Art Generator

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Post by petilon »

m3kw9 wrote: post #21

This will supercharge artists, it won’t replace them because details matter and when you need to get it just right, you cannot just keep rolling the dice by “prompting better”

Yes, but by "supercharging" artists, each artist will be able to do more, which means fewer artists will be needed.

Re: Adobe Firefly: AI Art Generator

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Post by madeofpalk »

judge2020 wrote: post #53
lelandfe wrote: post #50

From that page's FAQs: > trained on a dataset of Adobe Stock, along with openly licensed work and public domain content where copyright has expired > We do not train on any Creative Cloud subscribers’ personal content. For Adobe Stock contributors, the content is part of the Firefly training dataset, in accordance with Stock Contributor license agreements. The first model did not train on Behance. Not sure what "firs…

Still on the fence for whether or not you should be able to opt out of training (I'm sure many artists would love to "opt out" of humans looking at their art if the human intends to, or might, copy the artists' style at some point).

Should Github Copilot be trained on private, closed-source, proprietary code?

Re: Adobe Firefly: AI Art Generator

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Post by andybak »

l33tman wrote: post #15
motoxpro wrote: post #8

Interesting that the large company AI products (this, Microsoft copilot, etc) are so much more compelling than any of the startups I’ve seen. Makes me think that we haven’t seen what true innovation looks like in this space. Right now, AI is a feature, not a product. Edit: Not talking about the models themselves (stability, mid journey, GPT-x), talking about what is built on those models.

I would consider both Stable Diffusion and MidJourney to be startups and both are better by far than the established companies like OpenAI, and there are dozens of LLMs soon catching up with GPT3/4. As you say, it will be a very interesting next 6-12 months..

Dall-E is still ahead of the competition for some tasks. Midjourney has a very polished look but it lacks the depth of understanding that Dall-E can manage. I regularly hit prompts that I need to jump into Dall-E for.

Re: Adobe Firefly: AI Art Generator

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Post by criddell »

dopeboy wrote: post #11

What this reinforces is that unlike with previous big innovations (cloud, iphone, etc), incumbents will not sit on their laurels with the AI wave. They are aggressively integrating it into their products which (1) provides a relatively cheap step function upgrade and (2) keeps the barrier high for startups to use AI as their wedge. I attribute the speed at which incumbents are integrating AI into their products to a…

> I attribute the speed at which incumbents are integrating AI into their products to a couple things

And also it's something many companies have been working on for a big part of the last decade. Kevin Kelly in particular has been talking about it for at least the past 7 years. In 2016 he released a book titled "The Inevitable: Understanding the 12 Technological Forces That Will Shape Our Future" and the addition of AI to everything is covered in that book.

Re: Adobe Firefly: AI Art Generator

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Post by motoxpro »

l33tman wrote: post #15
motoxpro wrote: post #8

Interesting that the large company AI products (this, Microsoft copilot, etc) are so much more compelling than any of the startups I’ve seen. Makes me think that we haven’t seen what true innovation looks like in this space. Right now, AI is a feature, not a product. Edit: Not talking about the models themselves (stability, mid journey, GPT-x), talking about what is built on those models.

I would consider both Stable Diffusion and MidJourney to be startups and both are better by far than the established companies like OpenAI, and there are dozens of LLMs soon catching up with GPT3/4. As you say, it will be a very interesting next 6-12 months..

I wouldnt consider stable diffusion, mid journey and Open AI products. Little bit too low level, they seem to be more platforms that the products are built on. Not to say they aren’t amazing, just that the productized versions (one level up) are being executed really well by the big companies.

Re: Adobe Firefly: AI Art Generator

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Post by mk_stjames »

alexwebb2 wrote: post #37
mk_stjames wrote: post #25

I found the little sketch-to-vector-variations part interesting and surprising- this is something that is solidly not done via a diffusion model unlike everything else shown. Although I note it says "We plan to build this into Firefly" implying that... this isn't something already finished.

I imagine this would use "in the style of a line drawing" prompts under the hood to produce line-esque raster images suitable for vectorization, with the resulting vectorized images being what's shown to the user.

That was also my first instinct, but is vectorization from a line sketch really that smooth and reliable now, though? It has been some time since I've used modern tools, but last I tried any raster-to-vector on line drawings that weren't super basic, the results left a lot to be desired. Jittery, under- or over-fit, etc.
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