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Google nixes paying out rest of medical leave for laid-off employees

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Re: Google nixes paying out rest of medical leave for laid-off employees

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Post by saagarjha »

JamesBarney wrote: post #56
alanfranz wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because while you are on a medical leave or a maternity leave it’s especially difficult for you to sort out things, or to find another job? “I laid you off while you’re lactating, please find another job in 60 days or leave US”. In most places in EU it would be illegal to layoff people in those situations, that’s not a US thing of course, but just asking the already-approved deal to be honored seems just obvious.

Aren't they getting 16 weeks of severance + 2 weeks per year. Say an average of 2 years of work. Most people at Google are making at least 150k. That's almost 60k. That's more than the median U.S. worker makes in a year. And more than the median household income in almost every EU country. Not to mention no one Google lays off is going to have any trouble finding a job paying at least the median wage.

Most Google employees do not have median expenses or a clear path to getting there without drastically upending their lives.

Re: Google nixes paying out rest of medical leave for laid-off employees

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Post by procinct »

MrOwnPut wrote: post #51
procinct wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That term has existed since before “woke” was a term. There’s nothing woke about it.

I replied to your other comment, but you could clarify here, when did it come to popular usage, when was it "invented", and when did you here about it? Because I first heard it used about a year ago.

It’s been a common term in my country for as long as I can remember so it might be cultural. I’d say “biological parents” has a more clinical connotation to it but would be just as easily interpreted.

Most commonly used by people who are adopted to refer to their biological parents (especially I would say if they have a relationship with them). I definitely wouldn’t view it as a woke term (I wouldn’t see how it would serve that demographic) unless it’s being used in a different way to the definition I posted earlier.

Reading the article it might have a new meaning which potentially refers to the parent who actually performs the birth? I still don’t think I’d consider that woke but I’ve never heard it in that context and would find it a confusing term since I’m used to the other definition.

Re: Google nixes paying out rest of medical leave for laid-off employees

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Post by Kiro »

ryandrake wrote: post #53
throwaway45501 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you keep paying a plumber once they complete their job? As employee I enter into mutually beneficial (and in case of IT and FAANG - extremely beneficial) contract knowing that I can be fired once the company deems my services no longer necessary. The backlash comes from highest educated, best skilled people who received high salaries and who have great prospects of being hired again quickly. Why they suffer? Shoul…

[EDIT to remove the pot shot in the first paragraph but I still think OP has got to be trolling. But in case you really aren’t…] Layoffs are bad because they are deceptive and cruel to those laid off and further erode trust from those not yet laid off. They are deceptive because being hired as an employee traditionally carries with it implied permanence that being hired as a temp or contractor (like your plumber) doe…

Unnecessary first paragraph on an otherwise great comment.

Re: Google nixes paying out rest of medical leave for laid-off employees

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Post by procinct »

MrOwnPut wrote: post #47
procinct wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, they are generally synonyms. It’s not a new term.

As another user pointed out, why does the definition you posted qualify it with: "who has been adopted" > It's not a new term I see, it's somewhat new to me, when did the term come to popular usage? When was it "invented"?

The reason why it’s qualified by people who are adopted is because people who aren’t would just refer to them as “parents” not “birth parents” since there is no need to make a distinction.

People who are adopted have two sets of parents so it’s used to distinguish who they are referring to.

Re: Google nixes paying out rest of medical leave for laid-off employees

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Post by saagarjha »

Takennickname wrote: post #14

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I am a Google shareholder and an American. I would love if my country provided this kind of care, but it doesn't, and Google's public image profits from being able to step in when our government does not. Obviously, it because difficult for that image to perpetuate itself if it does things like this, so I wish for it to not do that.

Re: Google nixes paying out rest of medical leave for laid-off employees

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Post by Kiro »

lenkite wrote: post #57
Kiro wrote: post #54

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It's regulated by law in my country so yes, but that's not what I'm talking about. Once your revolution kicks off the mob won't care a single bit that I'm a "good" employer. No, I rather keep working on my own even though I could and should employ someone.

And that is your free choice. I am sure they were many employers in the days after the union movement who decided not to hire because they believed in making employees work 20 hours a day and they were afraid of retribution if they pushed the line. And that is fine - these folks would have lost out business to other employers who appeased the "mob" as you call it. There is only so much a single person can scale out t…

Responded to who? I don't believe that and I also don't plan to treat any employee badly. My point is that it doesn't matter. Once your proposed civil war happens I will automatically be the bourgeoisie class that needs to be crushed, tortured and killed.

Re: Google nixes paying out rest of medical leave for laid-off employees

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Post by MrOwnPut »

procinct wrote: post #62
MrOwnPut wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I replied to your other comment, but you could clarify here, when did it come to popular usage, when was it "invented", and when did you here about it? Because I first heard it used about a year ago.

It’s been a common term in my country for as long as I can remember so it might be cultural. I’d say “biological parents” has a more clinical connotation to it but would be just as easily interpreted. Most commonly used by people who are adopted to refer to their biological parents (especially I would say if they have a relationship with them). I definitely wouldn’t view it as a woke term (I wouldn’t see how it would…

> Reading the article it might have a new meaning which potentially refers to the parent who actually performs the birth? I still don’t think I’d consider that woke but I’ve never heard it in that context and would find it a confusing term since I’m used to the other definition.

I see, another user commented about it possibly including "surrogacy", so that may be the explanation there.

Biological would more refer to those who provided the sperm & eggs, birth would refer to those who actually did the... birthing. The birth father would be the one in the relationship with the birth mother?

Re: Google nixes paying out rest of medical leave for laid-off employees

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Post by alanfranz »

JamesBarney wrote: post #56
alanfranz wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because while you are on a medical leave or a maternity leave it’s especially difficult for you to sort out things, or to find another job? “I laid you off while you’re lactating, please find another job in 60 days or leave US”. In most places in EU it would be illegal to layoff people in those situations, that’s not a US thing of course, but just asking the already-approved deal to be honored seems just obvious.

Aren't they getting 16 weeks of severance + 2 weeks per year. Say an average of 2 years of work. Most people at Google are making at least 150k. That's almost 60k. That's more than the median U.S. worker makes in a year. And more than the median household income in almost every EU country. Not to mention no one Google lays off is going to have any trouble finding a job paying at least the median wage.

> Not to mention no one Google lays off is going to have any trouble finding a job paying at least the median wage.

While feeding a newborn or dealing with serious illness?

That’s the point. You’re on a leave for a reason. You don’t expect the leave to be unilaterally canceled.

Not to mention that, if you’re an immigrant, you have visa problems as well.

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