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Prostate cancer could be treated by destroying tumors with electric currents

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Re: Prostate cancer could be treated by destroying tumors with electric currents

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I expect to soon see articles on HN with DIY instructions using a modified taser. The videos will get many views.

A TENS machine is cheaper and easier to come by:

https://www.boots.com/health-pharmacy/electrical-health-diag...

Replace the pads with some needles, insulate most of the needle with lacquer leaving only the points free...

READY ... AIM ... FIRE!

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I would not try doing this at home.

My reply is totally against the guidelines, but the image of some bio-curious hacker sticking needles in the perineum and putting high voltages on them in a home lab is such an absurd mixture of horror and embarassement that your sane reply had me in stitches.

"Man, since that study came out 2nd degree taint burns are up 75%."

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It's more likely that you die with prostate cancer than because of prostate cancer. Yes, cancer is never good but for most men prostate cancer develops late and is usually growing very slowly and doesn't spread.

The stats are still pretty bad. Prostate cancer kills more people than breast cancer (though it's usually men in their 80s, so the QALYS is not as bad). A prostate cancer diagnosis is not terrible (since it's so damn common) and aggressive treatment and overly-aggressive screening might be a bad idea in most cases (since it's often best to not worry too much - over-treatment and even over-testing has its costs) but t…

But, curiously, they stop testing at 70 (or was it 72?). That's what my urologist told me last year when I had my exam. Ever since my father had prostate cancer, I've had a yearly PSA and exam by a urologist (thinking that a urologist will be better at detecting tumors than a GP/PCP).

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I had PC in my early 40s, over 15 years ago now. If that treatment had been available then I might still opt for surgical removal. The peace of mind of getting the thing out is huge and the side effects for me were negligible, as I had a great surgeon and recovery for younger patients is pretty good.

In my 60s I would definitely go for something like this although I'm always a little leery of treatments that have cool sounding brand names.

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Sample size n=1, but my dad was on the research or clinical trial of this exact treatment in Sydney, it worked for his prostate cancer, he's still clear from PSA tests (and possibly had biopsy also. No side effects. Previously he'd had the radioactive beads treatment which failed, the only other option was removal. Both these options have potentially unpleasant side effects. Happy to ask him questions if anyone wants…

How does it go? Was he put to sleep? What was the prep like leading up to it? What was the recovery like? Did he have to take any drugs?

My father had an aggressive form of prostate cancer that required removal. He was put under at a hospital. The surgery wasn’t very long and the procedure wasn’t too invasive.

Recovery wasn’t so bad but you have a catheter for a bit. Cancer drugs and all but no hair loss. IIRC, he was very low energy. He’s been cancer free for over a decade.

There’s a chance you can lose the capability to get an erection so you’ll want a good surgeon (I did not discuss this with my dad). Another person I knew had to wear a small pad because he could have a small amount of urine dribble. He said he could pee like a horse and it was much easier post op.

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Sample size n=1, but my dad was on the research or clinical trial of this exact treatment in Sydney, it worked for his prostate cancer, he's still clear from PSA tests (and possibly had biopsy also. No side effects. Previously he'd had the radioactive beads treatment which failed, the only other option was removal. Both these options have potentially unpleasant side effects. Happy to ask him questions if anyone wants…

May I ask how this was discovered in your dad's case? I feel like prostate cancer is the single most dangerous cancer for men in the late 30s, 40s, and 50s. So it's a subject I'm trying to pay attention to.

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The lifetime cancer risk is ~50% (all cancers) Most of them are caused by lifestyle/environment: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/core/lw/2.0/html/tileshop_pmc/t... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2515569/

How credible is this paper? I see it's highly cited, but I also see that it claims that fungi are cancer causing but not also cancer preventing, which seems questionable.

Feel free to read other studies/sources: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_cancer cites other papers with similar stats, there are also many sub articles listed

> Over one third of cancer deaths worldwide (and about 75–80% in the United States) are potentially avoidable by reducing exposure to known factors.

> Common environmental factors that contribute to cancer death include exposure to different chemical and physical agents (tobacco use accounts for 25–30% of cancer deaths), environmental pollutants, diet and obesity (30–35%), infections (15–20%), and radiation (both ionizing and non-ionizing, up to 10%).

> less than 0.3% of the population are carriers of a cancer-related genetic mutation and these make up less than 3–10% of all cancer cases.

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In a past life, I worked in prostate cancer ("PCa") clinical research. To drive home the point about how large of an unmet need this is:

A) In addition to 1/6 men being diagnosed with PCa, an ~equally large percentage of men have undiagnosed cancer at the time of death, it just wasn't severe enough yet to be the thing that killed them. (1)

B) Because treatment carries a 50% risk of sexual and/or urinary dysfunction side effects, the standard of care in the US for PCa is literally to leave the cancer untreated and monitor it closely, until it develops into an aggressive cancer. At that point, we treat the entire prostate (the opposite of "focal" therapy referenced in this article) and all bets are off re: side effects. Also, often by that time, the cancer has spread outside of the prostate and is much more difficult to treat.

(1) https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S246829422...

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