The YouTube API has `list`, `setModerationStatus`, and `markAsSpam` endoints. Could a service automatically moderate comments using its own heuristics?
Magic the Gathering content creator pleas YouTube to stop scammer bot deluge
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Re: Magic the Gathering content creator pleas YouTube to stop scammer bot deluge
#62Maybe I'm a callous bastard, but I genuinely don't get how he feels personally responsible here. It's a YouTube problem, not a M:tG problem or a him problem. He sounds genuinely distressed, and I feel for him, but I don't get why it causes him pain in this specific way. It's not your fault! And for what it's worth, it's not really YouTube's "fault" either. Remember, they're victims here too. They didn't invite this,…
He doesn't feel personally "responsible". He is emotionally invested in his followers well-being. Which is something that comes through in a lot of his videos. He wants the best for the people that follow him, and so he feels like he's failing in his inability to help them on this. Which is why he's also pleading Youtube (that should absolutely be staying abridged of this race).
Re: Magic the Gathering content creator pleas YouTube to stop scammer bot deluge
#63Maybe I'm a callous bastard, but I genuinely don't get how he feels personally responsible here. It's a YouTube problem, not a M:tG problem or a him problem. He sounds genuinely distressed, and I feel for him, but I don't get why it causes him pain in this specific way. It's not your fault! And for what it's worth, it's not really YouTube's "fault" either. Remember, they're victims here too. They didn't invite this,…
> Maybe I'm a callous bastard, but I genuinely don't get how he feels personally responsible here.
The bit where it gets complicated is that the scammers are using his name and likeness. The way these scams work is by convincing people that the youtuber in question wants to connect with them and then they steal money from them.
How would you feel if I would go around on HN tell people that I'm Zetice and steal money from them? How would you feel if the way you would hear about this is by confused people messaging you and demanding very angrily that you pay them back? You Zetice worked hard to be a person with integrity, and someone is squandering away your accumulated goodwill, hurting the very people who look up to you and you can't do anything about that.
I think I would feel terrible, and I would try to use my platform to shine a light to this problem. Worst case a few of my followers would wisen up and develop resistance to this kind of scam. Best case some manager at youtube shovels more money into solving the problem.
Re: Magic the Gathering content creator pleas YouTube to stop scammer bot deluge
#64The only thing I can see that could possibly be done is to either remove commenting altogether, and remove that as a method for determining engagement with the video. Or to make it so that to comment requires full validation (either by restricting to individuals with Youtube Premium, or some cost to be able to comment) of the individual who is commenting so that automation of it is no longer feasible from a monetary…
And yet gmail spam filters work fine probably 98% of the time. Just implement that on comments.
This sounds good to me, but I think gmail spam filters have gotten worse over the years.
I'm persistently getting emails coming through telling me I won a yeti cooler. About daily...
I mark them as spam, and this kind of email still doesn't go away.
Re: Magic the Gathering content creator pleas YouTube to stop scammer bot deluge
#65We need a way to make commenting on social media cost something. As long as it is free there is no way humans can compete with bots. As nobody wants to spend real money on it we probably need some social credit system but one that is hard to game and probably rate limiting. We urgently need this otherwise AI will take over the world by dominating the social networks.
This feels like it could work in a way that would make Youtube money on scammers for a short period of time.
Could grandfather in existing accounts, and have existing accounts give references for new accounts to continue getting "free" accounts. The cost being a loss of the ability to "mint" new accounts if any of your existing referenced accounts start spamming.
So you want to comment with your new account, you either need a "mint" from an existing account, or you need to fork over... let's say $50 to activate comments. (Amount could be whatever).
Re: Magic the Gathering content creator pleas YouTube to stop scammer bot deluge
#66Can someone in this space explain how this is a hard problem for Youtube to solve? In my limited understanding, I can see clear blockable patterns with the bot posts shown in this video.
YouTube has no interest in improving it's UX.....it's only interested in politics.....and spam is on their side...because it increases their side channels.....
Re: Magic the Gathering content creator pleas YouTube to stop scammer bot deluge
#67We need a way to make commenting on social media cost something. As long as it is free there is no way humans can compete with bots. As nobody wants to spend real money on it we probably need some social credit system but one that is hard to game and probably rate limiting. We urgently need this otherwise AI will take over the world by dominating the social networks.
Isn’t this sort of what Twitter is trying with the $8/month thing? Forcing a cost to increase the barrier to posting as well as tie it to a human to go after when they do bad stuff.
All this really does is make freedom of speech into a paid feature instead of a human right.
Re: Magic the Gathering content creator pleas YouTube to stop scammer bot deluge
#68impement a verified checkmark using youtube red, so they cannot endlessly spawn new verified accounts
Re: Magic the Gathering content creator pleas YouTube to stop scammer bot deluge
#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
Isn’t this sort of what Twitter is trying with the $8/month thing? Forcing a cost to increase the barrier to posting as well as tie it to a human to go after when they do bad stuff.
All this really does is make freedom of speech into a paid feature instead of a human right.
This has always been a dilemma to me as identity proofing costs some money and that filters people out.
I remember when domain names went from free to $70 under network solutions. This was meant to be cheap but really limited people who could register domains.
Re: Magic the Gathering content creator pleas YouTube to stop scammer bot deluge
#70The YouTube API has `list`, `setModerationStatus`, and `markAsSpam` endoints. Could a service automatically moderate comments using its own heuristics? https://developers.google.com/youtube/v3/docs/comments
Yes, there are third party solutions for this - and they work a LOT better than YouTube's official moderation.