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Re: SVB's programmatic payment systems are back online

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I wonder why no one has said it yet but Mercury will come out the biggest winner from this mess. I can't estimate how the traffic from SVB > Mercury has been but I saw a post by Arc.tech saying they'd received hundreds of millions in deposits between 8 - 10 March. Given Mercury was a more popular contender, I'm going to bet they had an inflow of basically double-digit billions.

But mass inflows of deposits are exactly how SVB got into the situation it's in now. You have to pay interest on the deposits. I'd much rather go to a truly "too big to fail" bank that can easily cover the deposit interest with a diverse line of business.

Banks are supposed to know how to deal with this problem… a couple didn’t.

Re: SVB's programmatic payment systems are back online

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But mass inflows of deposits are exactly how SVB got into the situation it's in now. You have to pay interest on the deposits. I'd much rather go to a truly "too big to fail" bank that can easily cover the deposit interest with a diverse line of business.

Interest rates are already high, so whoever get the inflows can buy 3 months treasure notes to get the cake and eat it too. There is still risk of interest rates rising significantly higher, but with 3 months treasure notes the downside is limited. edit: typoed

The thing with interest rates is in high inflation you never know what high really is since high inflation itself is highly volatile.

I.e. don’t be SVB. Hire a risk officer.

Re: SVB's programmatic payment systems are back online

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Because (apparently; I'm just reading from their web site) they deposit your funds into 12 separate accounts at 12 separate FDIC banks so you are insured up to $3M and a single-bank failure can at worst take 1/12 of your deposits. Seems like services like this should be more popular.

Am I the only one wondering why they're allowed to circumvent the $250K cap like this? Presumably there's a cap for a reason, and presumably it's to protect ordinary Americans who rarely have $250K in assets, and not rich people who can literally afford to lose that much and still be rich.

The cap is designed to be circumvented in this way. You don’t game the system, if you think so, the system games you.

Re: SVB's programmatic payment systems are back online

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Why would anyone go from midsized public bank to opaque neobank if they're now spooked about bank solvency issues? The logical move is to go bigger eg JPM.

Because (apparently; I'm just reading from their web site) they deposit your funds into 12 separate accounts at 12 separate FDIC banks so you are insured up to $3M and a single-bank failure can at worst take 1/12 of your deposits. Seems like services like this should be more popular.

does that mean that every time you purchase a coffee, 13 transactions take place to keep the distribution balanced?

otherwise 1/12th of your deposits would be the /best case scenario/ not the worst case.. it comes down to the details of how they balance the balances.

Re: SVB's programmatic payment systems are back online

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I am going to run payroll from my personal checking account because gusto wants a different bank to SVB. I will then wire funds from SVB to my personal account. Then I will find a new business banking provider.

Hi there, co-founder of Gusto here. Running payroll from your personal account won't work. It has to be a business account. Please see below a msg I wrote earlier in the thread about some advice on how to get that done on time -- * To clarify — If you have not yet updated your bank account on file to another (see article), you will have to wire funds to Gusto in order to make payroll on time. Log in to the app, run p…

Ok, I just got an email from the new CEO. The king is dead, long live the king.

Silicon Valley Bank, N.A. rising from the ashes of SVB...can gusto update now please.

Re: SVB's programmatic payment systems are back online

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because (apparently; I'm just reading from their web site) they deposit your funds into 12 separate accounts at 12 separate FDIC banks so you are insured up to $3M and a single-bank failure can at worst take 1/12 of your deposits. Seems like services like this should be more popular.

does that mean that every time you purchase a coffee, 13 transactions take place to keep the distribution balanced? otherwise 1/12th of your deposits would be the /best case scenario/ not the worst case.. it comes down to the details of how they balance the balances.

if all of the accounts are below the $250k, then you actually have zero at risk, not even 1/12th

As long as your accounts are under the limits, there's no need to re-balance on outflow, just ensure you remain under the insurance limits at inflow

Re: SVB's programmatic payment systems are back online

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

But mass inflows of deposits are exactly how SVB got into the situation it's in now. You have to pay interest on the deposits. I'd much rather go to a truly "too big to fail" bank that can easily cover the deposit interest with a diverse line of business.

Interest rates are already high, so whoever get the inflows can buy 3 months treasure notes to get the cake and eat it too. There is still risk of interest rates rising significantly higher, but with 3 months treasure notes the downside is limited. edit: typoed

There is no need as they can just park the excess reserves with the Fed and earn a risk free rate with no duration risk.
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