My mom works 12 hour shifts as a CNC machinist in the United States. Is there some point to this article or is it just neat to know?
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Apple and Foxconn win permission for 12-hour shifts for women in India
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#62My mom works 12 hour shifts as a CNC machinist in the United States. Is there some point to this article or is it just neat to know?
How many of those shifts does she work in a week?
Not sure, but I assume 40 hours total. It looks like India has a nationwide maximum of 48 hours before overtime. So they have a whole extra day's work than we do in the US.
That is now for both men and women.
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#63So from what I can tell, it sounds like this is a win for women in India. They were restricted from working as long as men (and still are?) so they couldn't make as much money as men. I mostly post this because my initial reaction was "oh they made it easier to abuse them!" but it sounds like that's not actually the case, which is a bit of a relief.
Or maybe the men are already being abused? Perhaps if there were working hour rules for everyone, wages would have to come up? The US has working hour regulations, but I don't hear the workers complain that they are being stifled from working as much as the want.
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#64I have very little understanding of India. While reading the article, it sounds like the changes to Indian labor law would enable more hours to be worked. However, I don't understand whether this is a good or bad thing for the average worker (and/or woman) in India. Can someone provide more insight? Thanks.
outside of factories, indian offices/businesses/shops/schools/hospitals no one uses hourly wages. Its just "you work for us 6 days a week, 9/(now 12) hours a day and you get x amount, are you okay with that or we have 120 people outside willing to do this work, quick.
The part of the reason is the population is so much and there are so little positions so people are forced to take up whatever is infront of them.
Personally, i run a small office with a dozen odd employees. For the female staff, our timings are 10-5 x 6 days a week. I personally work 10-9x6+sunday regularly so yeah. The situation is not 'that' terrible with regards to women workforce. If you can do the work and not be bogged down by too much 'home work' you can work as long as you like because people are willing to give out work.
I don't own a big factory or a 1000 person business so i can't say about those things but in big cities like mumbai/delhi, you normally have women AND men working 2 jobs just to make ends meet.
You can work 10-4 if you like, there are jobs like that but your pay will get decreased accordingly (without overt hourly calculation)(like we dont have concept of billable hours for example)
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#65My mom works 12 hour shifts as a CNC machinist in the United States. Is there some point to this article or is it just neat to know?
A lot of hospitals (and Tesla plants) have four 12 hour days, then 3 days off (the next batch switches to nights though). Works neatly to around 40 hour weeks, but very hard to match to school schedules, plus switching days and nights weekly is tough.
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#66All the comments hinge on whether it is fundamentally wrong or abusive for people to have to work 12-hour shifts or significantly more than the current American 40-hour per week standard.
It's not the absolute amount of work people have to do to survive that is fundamentally wrong. If everyone commenting here got ship wrecked on a desert island together and we worked 100 hour weeks and had children work too in order to survive, it is obviously not fundamentally wrong.
What's fundamentally wrong is that we effectively have a world-wide caste system. People in the upper castes live in better environments with better laws, consume a far greater share of the planet's resources per-capita, don't have to work as much, get paid more and own more of the planet per-capita, and on top of all that they leverage an economic system that is able to provide them with even more wealth (super computers in their pockets, hand-picked strawberries) and the freedom to work less and play more (hire nannies, maids and janitors, have food delivered) for incredibly cheap by coercing a race to the bottom for those in the bottom castes, who have to work harder, longer and in jobs upper caste people would consider nightmares and would need expensive therapists to recover from.
I hate Elon Musk and Twitter is a hellscape, but if you used it for one thing, it should be to follow United Farmworker's account for a daily reminder of what your upper caste life is built upon.
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#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, most modern countries have between 35 and 40 hour work weeks.
I don't believe that "most modern countries" don't make exceptions for work that requires it or critical fields. In fact, those of us who've worked non-traditional shifts usually get some perk out of it. When I worked 12 hour shifts I'd work 3-5 days in a row, then get the same amount of days off. To this day 5 days on 5 days off is the best schedule I've ever had. I also had a friend working in mines up north in Can…
Is there anything about sitting in a line manufacturing electronics that requires 12 hours shifts?
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#68This makes sense, since in general India is known for it's lack of available work force, so having people being able to work more overtime is the most logical thing.
/sarcasm
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#69I have very little understanding of India. While reading the article, it sounds like the changes to Indian labor law would enable more hours to be worked. However, I don't understand whether this is a good or bad thing for the average worker (and/or woman) in India. Can someone provide more insight? Thanks.
It's terrible for the workers, because currently they get overtime pay beyond 9 hours, this law effectively reduces overtime by 3 hours. Women also play a bigger role in running the household, and with 12-hour shifts plus commute time, this must take a big toll on the family.
These are - relatively - good jobs, right?