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Re: HP have updated their printers to ban ‘non-HP’ cartridges

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Post by djcannabiz »

Jabrov wrote: post #55
fwlr wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The real answer for disrupting the printer industry is making and selling “cartridge refiller devices”. You sell the ink super cheap (hell, you could give it away for free, it’s that cheap). Your margin is on the refiller devices: the fact that printer companies have made hundreds of different cartridges with a myriad of anti-tamper mechanisms means you offer dozens of different devices, and whenever the big bad prin…

And then you get sued

Felony contempt of business model!

Re: HP have updated their printers to ban ‘non-HP’ cartridges

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Post by ph4te »

lchengify wrote: post #23

For those of you who haven't already, I highly recommend just biting the bullet and switching from HP to Brother for your home printing needs. I was a HP customer for decades . I had models going back to perforated paper dot-matrix printers. Finally last year I had a down-and-out fight to get my HP to do a basic task, and I bit the bullet and ordered a Brother at the recommendation of my friend. My mfc-l3750cdw Broth…

I agree on the Brother printers, I’ve only had two Brothers in the past 13 years, and the only reason I upgraded was to go from Black and White Laser, to Color Laser, it was still going strong. The best part about it was you would buy a toner cartridge and when it would tell you it’s getting low, put some electrical tape over the clear hole in the side and it would continue to print for another 1.5k. On top of that I just press the reset button for the toner life and it resets it just like I put in a brand new one. Then I print till it starts getting light. This last round of color toners I bought an off brand from Amazon that came with all the colors plus two black for half the price of the name brand set. I typically don’t buy off brand, but figured I would give it a shot. Still going good since last year.

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Post by Natsu »

throw0101c wrote: post #46
lchengify wrote: post #23

For those of you who haven't already, I highly recommend just biting the bullet and switching from HP to Brother for your home printing needs. I was a HP customer for decades . I had models going back to perforated paper dot-matrix printers. Finally last year I had a down-and-out fight to get my HP to do a basic task, and I bit the bullet and ordered a Brother at the recommendation of my friend. My mfc-l3750cdw Broth…

> For those of you who haven't already, I highly recommend just biting the bullet and switching from HP to Brother for your home printing needs. I was under the impression that newer Brother firmware versions had restrictions: * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31860131 I have an HL-L2360D, but my firmware is from 2015 (with no plans to upgrade), so have no idea if anything has changed recently.

Hmm, I got a color laser printer over 10 years ago. I think I replaced the toner once in that time.

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Post by binkHN »

lchengify wrote: post #23

For those of you who haven't already, I highly recommend just biting the bullet and switching from HP to Brother for your home printing needs. I was a HP customer for decades . I had models going back to perforated paper dot-matrix printers. Finally last year I had a down-and-out fight to get my HP to do a basic task, and I bit the bullet and ordered a Brother at the recommendation of my friend. My mfc-l3750cdw Broth…

> ...I highly recommend just biting the bullet and switching ... to Brother...

No bullets to bite. My brother laser is over 12 years old and works just like it did when I bought it. I like it so much I bought another for another part of the house. Did I mention it also groks postscript for those that might want to print from a BSD machine right OOTB?

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Post by EMIRELADERO »

pdonis wrote: post #4
nawgz wrote: post #2

I'm amazed that this hasn't been regulated. Aftermarket commodities being turned into walled gardens based not on physical incompatibility but software checks is obscene. Does the EU have defenses against this kind of behavior? I feel like monopolistic is the wrong word. Creating captive markets?

> I'm amazed that this hasn't been regulated. The best way to regulate it is for people to stop buying HP printers. I haven't bought one for about 20 years.

> The best way to regulate it is for people to stop buying HP printers.

And to also outlaw those practices.

Some things just shouldn't be left to market forces.

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Post by cfiggers »

b112 wrote: post #34
readingnews wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am amazed no one talks about older HPs. I had a 4 with like 5million pages put through it, worked great. I am on a 4300DN now, in my house, got it used. Great printer. I would never buy any of their new stuff. My gosh, HP what happened? You used to make great test equipment. Then great calculators. Then great printers. Now, what? What do you do? Oh, I forgot, you give the customer a printer and hold them hostage. I…

Now, what? They make decent laptops, but with incredibly sharp, non-rounded edges, which have actually cut* some user's palms. https://www.reddit.com/r/GamingLaptops/comments/iioylp/just_... edit: * Yes I exaggerate here, but it is annoyingly sharp

That seems like a slight exaggeration to me. The linked Reddit poster put the word "cuts" in quotation marks, indicating illustrative use of the word. Most likely they meant harmless (but uncomfortable) pressure indentations from resting their forearms against the edges for a while. It does not seem likely that they meant the edges of their laptop drew blood (which is what you seem to be suggesting).

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Post by mydogmuppet »

I recently looked at upgrading my two laser printers to models that were ethernet and wifi. I got burned so badly by Epson and Inkjet I'll never look at that technology again.

Got the shock of my life at wifi printer hardware prices. Expensive.

I've an ancient, tank like, Dell 5120cn that I bought new from Noahs Ark or was it eBay in 2005ish? Its lifetime page count has only just exceeded its monthly duty cycle. It will not die. A set of mfg. CMYB toners costs under $100 if purchased carefully. That's once every 3 years or so.

The back up laser is a donkey slow but reliable HP laser jet 2605dn. Solid, dependable. It was donated to me, free with a 1200 page count. The mfg. toner prices are still steep, so I avoid, and go for 3rd party cartridges. A set of CMYB is $60. I've only just put one set in since 2010.

I'll use these lasers till they or I die. Or I forget their lan IP address. Wifi connectivity is for the very rich.

I'm of the opinion that if printer manufacturers in the EU try pulling any 'use only my ink or toner' stunts they'll be facing a very very expensive showdown with Brussels or Strasbourg.

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Post by caned »

binkHN wrote: post #64
lchengify wrote: post #23

For those of you who haven't already, I highly recommend just biting the bullet and switching from HP to Brother for your home printing needs. I was a HP customer for decades . I had models going back to perforated paper dot-matrix printers. Finally last year I had a down-and-out fight to get my HP to do a basic task, and I bit the bullet and ordered a Brother at the recommendation of my friend. My mfc-l3750cdw Broth…

> ...I highly recommend just biting the bullet and switching ... to Brother... No bullets to bite. My brother laser is over 12 years old and works just like it did when I bought it. I like it so much I bought another for another part of the house. Did I mention it also groks postscript for those that might want to print from a BSD machine right OOTB?

15 years and counting here!

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Post by 1123581321 »

Algemarin wrote: post #29

What I find notable whenever something like this is in the news, is that these user-hostile features don't just manifest through abiogenesis, or spontaneous generation. User-hostile features are created by people. Just once, I would like to see an AMA by someone who was directly involved in creating a user-hostile feature - whether it's locking down printers or any of the countless other examples that come up on a we…

I’ve seen these kinds of decisions being made.

They believe they’re worth it, their product is good enough to have a premium total ownership cost.

They believe businesses want OEM.

They believe they’re preventing consumers from making expensive mistakes.

They believe they need to shut out low cost market entrants that begin with a supplemental product.

By believe I mean that’s what their gut tells them, and their data analysis also says on some level.

Advocating for consumer welfare or improving the industry reputation falls completely flat. They don’t believe it’s what the market wants. Or they just bluster, or look annoyed and make sure that person’s manager fixes the meeting invites.

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