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Drug Companies Can Legally Start Selling Cocaine, Heroin, and MDMA

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> But it’s not clear under what circumstances the companies will be able to sell the drugs Only because your article wouldn’t have any bite if you told the truth. It is clear. Health Canada clarified already: it’s for research and prescribed use in rather limited cases. The hack author wants you to feel a narrative that they’re going to just start selling cocaine to the public. > In a statement to VICE News, Health C…

VICE is a tabloid masquerading as an investigative journalism outlet

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The DEA is evil. They drag their feet in allowing FDA approved medicines to be approved for sale. There was a law passed recently that they had N months to schedule it because they kept taking so long. If a single person in a study says a medicine gives them feelings of euphoria it can be subject to scheduling, which makes it an epic pain in the ass to acquire. They don’t allow electronic prescriptions to be sent for…

A friend of mine calls this Suffering Theology. Anything that might bring pleasure is bad. It's why so many medical justifications had to be made to make marijuana legal. It's why we have to say "oh, shrooms heal depression" or whatever shit before we can decriminalize. There is a deep Puritanism that ramifies through America. Suffering is necessary. Pain is necessary.

There's probably some of that. But this also reminds me of SSC's Against Against Pseudoaddiction[0]. Seems like some people really really want to be able to say, oooh I caught me a drug addict, nice try you lousy addict!

[0] https://slatestarcodex.com/2019/09/16/against-against-pseudo...

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When I was in Peru coca tea was available everywhere for literally pennies. It is legal in most of South America. It doesn't even get you high it just sort of helps with elevation sickness. This seems to upset US politicians from time to time and cause diplomatic spats, they were adamant against the sale of it despite it being traditional in that part of the world. Punitive about it. Now it is legal in Canada and not…

We legalized or decriminalized all of that stuff in Oregon 3 years ago. You can get mushrooms now. Meth, heroin, cocaine, all decriminalized. Psychedelics can be used in a clinical setting: https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2020/11/oregon-legalizes... Decriminalization measure: https://ballotpedia.org/Oregon_Measure_110,_Drug_Decriminali...

https://uscpublicdiplomacy.org/blog/coca-not-dirty-word

https://www.jstor.org/stable/3875615

https://www.npr.org/2008/09/14/94518300/u-s-bolivia-ties-str...

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We legalized or decriminalized all of that stuff in Oregon 3 years ago. You can get mushrooms now. Meth, heroin, cocaine, all decriminalized. Psychedelics can be used in a clinical setting: https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2020/11/oregon-legalizes... Decriminalization measure: https://ballotpedia.org/Oregon_Measure_110,_Drug_Decriminali...

can you get this in dispensaries or anything now? some how dispensaries in CA are selling mushrooms and even advertising them. I guess theres some weird middle ground? seen this in dc too, even like dmt carts. id make that drive for legit mdma lol

No, psychedelics are supposed to be done in a clinical setting by a licensed therapist. The only thing you can buy in a store is cannabis. All we basically did is say we're not going to spend resources fighting personal amounts of drugs. Still illegal to sell. There was one store in downtown Portland that was openly selling mushrooms, even advertising. They got shut down in a week or two once it hit the news. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAvchkZq_WQ

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For thousands of years people have munched coca leaves and made teas out of that and there has been no problems whatsoever. The problem started when someone took a bunch of those leaves, mixed them with a bunch of chemicals to create a highly concentrated substance.

You mean Coca Cola? I agree, fizzy drinks are very bad for you. We should tax 'em.

Modern Coca Cola uses decocainized leaf extract.

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The controlled substances act is not a constitutional amendment.

Before the CSA, the most notable legal instrument for banning substances was the constitutional amendment. After the CSA, the most notable legal instrument for banning constitutional substances was an administrative decision.

That's a pretty willfully naive answer though. The fact that the CSA was passable at all is indicative that something had changed. Because if the legislative branch can grant the executive branch the right to make drugs illegal, the legislative branch must have had that ability to do so without a constitutional amendment on its own already. The question is what changed that made the CSA possible?

The correct answer is that in the 30s the courts started taking the position that the federal government could do things that weren't explicitly granted as within their powers, and most types of trade were now within "interstate commerce"

It's also generally just a wrong answer that misses big things like the Federal Food Drug and Cosmetic Act in the 30s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Food,_Drug,_and_Cosmet...

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We legalized or decriminalized all of that stuff in Oregon 3 years ago. You can get mushrooms now. Meth, heroin, cocaine, all decriminalized. Psychedelics can be used in a clinical setting: https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2020/11/oregon-legalizes... Decriminalization measure: https://ballotpedia.org/Oregon_Measure_110,_Drug_Decriminali...

can you get this in dispensaries or anything now? some how dispensaries in CA are selling mushrooms and even advertising them. I guess theres some weird middle ground? seen this in dc too, even like dmt carts. id make that drive for legit mdma lol

I was in Portland recently to watch a game at Providence Park and could swear that I walked past a dispensary for mushrooms.

Edit: Found an article about it. https://nypost.com/2022/12/02/countrys-1st-magic-mushroom-sh...

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One of them had to retract their statement after it caught the attention of the province’s prime minister as well as the federal prime minister. link: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/justin-trude...

Minor correction, provinces don't have prime minister's they have premier's.

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When I was in Peru coca tea was available everywhere for literally pennies. It is legal in most of South America. It doesn't even get you high it just sort of helps with elevation sickness. This seems to upset US politicians from time to time and cause diplomatic spats, they were adamant against the sale of it despite it being traditional in that part of the world. Punitive about it. Now it is legal in Canada and not…

We legalized or decriminalized all of that stuff in Oregon 3 years ago. You can get mushrooms now. Meth, heroin, cocaine, all decriminalized. Psychedelics can be used in a clinical setting: https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2020/11/oregon-legalizes... Decriminalization measure: https://ballotpedia.org/Oregon_Measure_110,_Drug_Decriminali...

Clinical settings can violate "set and setting", though. Lots of people, including us, would not want to use psychedelics in a clinic isolated from the world. We'd want to be at home, in our comfy bed, playing nice music, while talking to our friends on the internet.

Luckily, in Oregon, possession of small amounts at home is only a civil violation, so it's basically OK as long as you don't get caught. Even if you do, there's no jail time, only a fine, and IIRC the fine will even be waived if you pass a psychiatric evaluation.

Obviously, possession being legal means nothing if you obtain it illegally. But it's completely legal to buy research chemicals online for "research purposes". Then, even if you end up consuming it, the sequence of events is that you bought a research chemical (which is fine) and then a research chemical in your possession was also a psychedelic in your possession (also fine) once you used it (also fine).

-Emily

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Not really analogous. A whiskey beverage is usually served at one alcohol unit of strength and has the same alcohol as a beer. In fact, someone who has a whiskey neat for lunch is likely going to get less alcohol than someone who has a pint from a microbrew. 16 ounces at 10% abv vs 1.5 ounces at 40%.

In both cases the psychoactive is the same but the concentration is different. It is a fair nuance you bring up that an unregulated refining and cutting process has a lot of variability in its amount which can mean taking a rather large amount. While drinking a beer can have more total alcohol than a shot of whiskey, the social stigma is there for reasons. Concentrated consumption is on a different level in terms of…

I frequently see people have a whisky neat or something like a martini and that’s it. It’s a low carb substitution for drinking beer.
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