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Is every government really this incompetent??
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TikTok is not banned for the public. You are still free to use TikTok even if you are a govt employee on your private device. This is the well known paradox of tolerance. It is necessary for a free society to ban certain things. Our govt already mandates a lot. > Banning an app is antithetical to freedom. No it isn't. We already ban a ton of stuff. Suddenly, freedom lovers have woken up and are complaining because we…
> TikTok is not banned for the public. Never said it was -- if you follow the thread you'll see I was replying to someone pointing out that China has banned US social networks. The implication being that true US banning TikTok would only be fair, or something like that. > We already ban a ton of stuff. We do... and those bans do limit freedom, by definition. We've accepted that in a lot of cases -- few are arguing th…
You replied to me. I simply said this is not unfair.
> ban or restriction on, say, League of Legends simply
Stepping away from hypotheticals: A lot of countries have restrictions on what you and you can't do with govt resources. E.g., there are restrictions on what carriers you can use if you fly with govt. funding. Other countries have similar rules. There is nothing wrong or unfair or "freedom limiting" with the US govt banning a likely foreign govt. controlled app from govt. devices.
https://www.gsa.gov/policy-regulations/policy/travel-managem...
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Companies like Google and Facebook CHOOSE to not operate in China because they don't want to follow the the laws that Chinese companies are following. They're not banned, they're not allowed to operate unless they comply with local laws. Just like they wouldn't be allowed to operate in Europe if they didn't show a Cookie pop-up. It's not like they're not allowed to operate in China because they're American apps. The…
False https://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/042915/why-f... Any source to backup your claim? > The US should make the data collection itself illegal for everyone and be done with it. They're currently walking this weird path where the exact same data collection is fine if it's Americans doing. It's not one set of rules for everyone. Data collection is NOT the issue. Foreign govt interference is the issue. I…
“We need to figure out a solution that is in line with our principles and what we want to do, and in line with the laws there, or else it’s not going to happen. Right now, there isn’t an intersection.”
> Foreign govt interference is the issue. If tomorrow Google were controlled by a hostile foreign govt., they would face the same bans.
So it _is_ simply because it's foreign. How long do you think Google would survive in the US if it didn't comply with US requests? It does comply with requests and three letter agencies have access to data (as per Edward Snowden).
If your stance is that it's fine when we do it but not when others do it then that's just what it is.
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It's not Android nonsense, it's just nonsense. If you don't post, TikTok requires zero permissions. Further, they only collect data related to how you use the app as per their privacy policy: https://www.tiktok.com/legal/page/eea/privacy-policy/en .
> they only collect data related to how you use the app Did you read it? Because that is not what it says. That page also explains how they: * fingerprint your device, and your biometrics, and ID your device even when you don't log in * collect your location information even if you deny OS permissions * collect information about your viewing habits * collect and share information from data brokers * share information…
Simply put, an app cannot do something that would require permissions, without it (unless exploiting vulns). Do you perhaps mean IP location? Which is incomplete, can be spoofed, or manipulated.
I agree that no app should probably have this power, but what the original commenter posits, is that TikTok is overreaching. Where "over" is compared to everyone else (including western media). Even, most websites collect this information with or without consent.
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False https://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/042915/why-f... Any source to backup your claim? > The US should make the data collection itself illegal for everyone and be done with it. They're currently walking this weird path where the exact same data collection is fine if it's Americans doing. It's not one set of rules for everyone. Data collection is NOT the issue. Foreign govt interference is the issue. I…
But your link (the NYT times) says exactly what I said. They don't comply with local laws, which is why they're not accessible there. Not sure what else to tell you. Even Facebook's official comment is, which can be found if you follow the links you've posted: “We need to figure out a solution that is in line with our principles and what we want to do, and in line with the laws there, or else it’s not going to happen…
No, it doesn’t. Read again. Was a fair trial held? No. End of story.
CCP does not rule according to laws. The only laws are CCP’s words and now Do’s words.
And you have a false equivalence here. TikTok has CCP board members and is not banned for US citizens.
> So it _is_ simply because it's foreign. How long do you think Google would survive in the US if it didn't comply with US requests? It does comply with requests and three letter agencies have access to data (as per Edward Snowden).
For a while. There would be court cases. Companies refuse US govt requests all the time and fight it in a court of law. A Snowden equivalent in China would be killed and not just a fugitive.