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Re: Shortwave: A GPT-3-powered front end for Gmail

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Post by joshspankit »

precompute wrote: post #17
libraryatnight wrote: post #13

Summarizing must be the low hanging fruit on the GPT-3 api because everybody and their mother wants to summarize everything for me now. Who's going to write me an extension to aggregate and summarize all my summaries?

I'll do it for 100k and the title "prompt artisan"

As mentioned by Sam Altman, prompt engineering probably has a very short window. By this he says that very shortly (GPT-4?) AI won’t need specific keywords in the prompt to understand what you want. Natural language will be all you need.

Re: Shortwave: A GPT-3-powered front end for Gmail

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Post by joshspankit »

jwngr wrote: post #2

Hi HN - Shortwave co-founder here. We’ve built a full-featured email client over the last couple of years, just in time for the rise of LLMs. We’ve added quite a few features (and are working on many more) that use LLMs to save you time. I’m most excited about Smart Summaries — they’ll read and then summarize (even from a different language) long newsletters & those huge threads you just don’t want to wade through. W…

I like many others have a hard stop at sending our entire inbox to a third party. Is there any way you’ll be able to provide the same functionality to local users or are you married to using cloud functions?

Re: Shortwave: A GPT-3-powered front end for Gmail

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Post by emptysongglass »

jwngr wrote: post #2

Hi HN - Shortwave co-founder here. We’ve built a full-featured email client over the last couple of years, just in time for the rise of LLMs. We’ve added quite a few features (and are working on many more) that use LLMs to save you time. I’m most excited about Smart Summaries — they’ll read and then summarize (even from a different language) long newsletters & those huge threads you just don’t want to wade through. W…

I would have prioritized shipping a real client to Android users instead of an LLM first. There have been promises of upgrading the experience forever and the web wrapper has seen few and far improvements in I want to say two years now.

Re: Shortwave: A GPT-3-powered front end for Gmail

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Post by yieldcrv »

felixg3 wrote: post #4
jwngr wrote: post #2

Hi HN - Shortwave co-founder here. We’ve built a full-featured email client over the last couple of years, just in time for the rise of LLMs. We’ve added quite a few features (and are working on many more) that use LLMs to save you time. I’m most excited about Smart Summaries — they’ll read and then summarize (even from a different language) long newsletters & those huge threads you just don’t want to wade through. W…

Why are you calling it an email client? It is obviously not. It is a proprietary front-end for Gmail, which is not even remotely the same.

They done angered the Big Email lobby

Re: Shortwave: A GPT-3-powered front end for Gmail

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Post by ElijahLynn »

ElijahLynn wrote: post #57
jwngr wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We use OpenAI's GPT-3 API to generate summaries. We have explicitly opted out of OpenAI's default behavior of using their APIs to train their models: https://help.openai.com/en/articles/5722486-how-your-data-is...

Can you expand more on OpenAI's policy on if it retains the queries that are sent? I understand you are not using the training feature, and I am talking about the non-training queries you are sending it. Does OpenAI keep the queries? I mean, it is just a POST request and the server probably logs it all, then there is the matter of if the actual AI keeps the data.

(a) Your Content. You may provide input to the Services (“Input”), and receive output generated and returned by the Services based on the Input (“Output”). Input and Output are collectively “Content.” ...

(c) Use of Content to Improve Services. One of the main benefits of machine learning models is that they can be improved over time. To help OpenAI provide and maintain the Services, you agree and instruct that we may use Content to develop and improve the Services. You can read more here about how Content may be used to improve model performance. We understand that in some cases you may not want your Content used to improve Services. You can opt out of having Content used for improvement by contacting support@openai.com with your organization ID. Please note that in some cases this may limit the ability of our Services to better address your specific use case.

https://openai.com/policies/terms-of-use

Re: Shortwave: A GPT-3-powered front end for Gmail

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Post by jwngr »

emptysongglass wrote: post #63
jwngr wrote: post #2

Hi HN - Shortwave co-founder here. We’ve built a full-featured email client over the last couple of years, just in time for the rise of LLMs. We’ve added quite a few features (and are working on many more) that use LLMs to save you time. I’m most excited about Smart Summaries — they’ll read and then summarize (even from a different language) long newsletters & those huge threads you just don’t want to wade through. W…

I would have prioritized shipping a real client to Android users instead of an LLM first. There have been promises of upgrading the experience forever and the web wrapper has seen few and far improvements in I want to say two years now.

You're right. We're a small team of 10 people [1] and we have to ruthlessly prioritize. Gmail on web and iOS are our primary platforms right now. Our Android app is in beta and will be for longer. In the meantime, are improving the PWA experience. We just shipped a brand new inbox last week that has much better support for the Android PWA - finally fixes the back button issue we heard a lot about! I know it's not a native app, but that's not practical for our team right now. It will be eventually though.

[1] https://www.shortwave.com/about/

Re: Shortwave: A GPT-3-powered front end for Gmail

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Post by einpoklum »

warkdarrior wrote: post #46
einpoklum wrote: post #29

1. Don't use GMail - the US government and a bunch of commercial corporations should not be able to read your email and/or mine it for useful information to manipulate you with. 2. With this kind of frontend, you're just adding more entities which scrutinize your email and your behavior patterns. Oh, and apparently this costs a bunch of money to really use. 3. The appropriate frontend for email services (even GMail)…

Do any of the FOSS mail clients offer summarization of emails? If not, then asking people to use a less capable email client is not a winning proposition.

They do, actually. It's called a "title".

> less capable

Funny.

Re: Shortwave: A GPT-3-powered front end for Gmail

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Post by imartin2k »

joshspankit wrote: post #61
precompute wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll do it for 100k and the title "prompt artisan"

As mentioned by Sam Altman, prompt engineering probably has a very short window. By this he says that very shortly (GPT-4?) AI won’t need specific keywords in the prompt to understand what you want. Natural language will be all you need.

I don’t see how this would work unless AI can read my mind. Humans are by default very imprecise with language, hence prompt engineering.

Re: Shortwave: A GPT-3-powered front end for Gmail

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Post by joshspankit »

imartin2k wrote: post #68
joshspankit wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As mentioned by Sam Altman, prompt engineering probably has a very short window. By this he says that very shortly (GPT-4?) AI won’t need specific keywords in the prompt to understand what you want. Natural language will be all you need.

I don’t see how this would work unless AI can read my mind. Humans are by default very imprecise with language, hence prompt engineering.

Only if we stretch the term to mean “clearly communicating”. The point is that you won’t need to add keywords to the prompt to “trick” the AI.

Re: Shortwave: A GPT-3-powered front end for Gmail

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Post by libraryatnight »

stirfish wrote: post #32
libraryatnight wrote: post #13

Summarizing must be the low hanging fruit on the GPT-3 api because everybody and their mother wants to summarize everything for me now. Who's going to write me an extension to aggregate and summarize all my summaries?

I used to use Nutshell, but it went out of business because its name was too long. https://acephalous.typepad.com/acephalous/2007/05/irtnog_by_...

That was wonderful :D thank you
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