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DOJ Preps Antitrust Suit to Block Adobe’s $20B Figma Deal

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Re: DOJ Preps Antitrust Suit to Block Adobe’s $20B Figma Deal

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Post by notpushkin »

leetrout wrote: post #60
notpushkin wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do hope Penpot takes Figma's place, but you just can't be so sure at this point.

First I have heard of Penpot. Do you have a favorite link that gives more insight on why you want it at the top?

No particular link, but:

- it's free and open source

- it can be self-hosted (for fun or because you're working on something way too secret): https://penpot.app/self-host

- its' file format is based on open standards, no vendor lock-in: https://help.penpot.app/user-guide/import-export/

Re: DOJ Preps Antitrust Suit to Block Adobe’s $20B Figma Deal

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Post by pjmlp »

cmdialog wrote: post #33
j_crick wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If Figma wrangles $2-3B cash out of this, they could probably take down the entire adobe ecosystem Do you think that just $2-3B would be enough to push for developing alternatives to at least Photoshop and Illustrator and Lightroom and After Effects and successfully going after their markets? During what timeframe? Doesn’t feel like it tbh.

A lot of designers are already abandoning Adobe because they are tired of their garbage. Many of my peers have turned to Serif Affinity apps as Photoshop/Illustrator/InDesign replacements and they do an incredible job. Nobody cares about Adobe on iPads, most artists are reaching for Procreate. Most of the issues involve sharing of files since Adobe has such a large share and their file types are proprietary. There ar…

Over here on my bubble, Adobe reigns supreme as always.

Re: DOJ Preps Antitrust Suit to Block Adobe’s $20B Figma Deal

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Post by ido »

obblekk wrote: post #8

In case you ever find yourself with as much leverage as Figma seemingly had… always negotiate a break up fee to compensate for exactly this. T-Mobile famously got a $4B breakup fee after DOJ blocked ATT from acquiring them. That $4B was used to buy more spectrum and overhaul the brand, leading to huge growth to the point that T-Mobile is now a big 3 player (it used to be big 2 only). If Figma wrangles $2-3B cash out…

> If Figma wrangles $2-3B cash out of this, they could probably take down the entire adobe ecosystem.

I think you highly underestimates how much lock-in adobe has (and intentionally pushed, e.g. by doing what they can to prevent other programs from parsing their file formats, similar to what Microsoft used to do but fortunately no longer does).

Re: DOJ Preps Antitrust Suit to Block Adobe’s $20B Figma Deal

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Post by ido »

pjmlp wrote: post #62
cmdialog wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of designers are already abandoning Adobe because they are tired of their garbage. Many of my peers have turned to Serif Affinity apps as Photoshop/Illustrator/InDesign replacements and they do an incredible job. Nobody cares about Adobe on iPads, most artists are reaching for Procreate. Most of the issues involve sharing of files since Adobe has such a large share and their file types are proprietary. There ar…

Over here on my bubble, Adobe reigns supreme as always.

+1 anecdata, I've tried to get colleagues off of adobe suite for years to little success.

Re: DOJ Preps Antitrust Suit to Block Adobe’s $20B Figma Deal

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Post by godzillabrennus »

pjmlp wrote: post #62
cmdialog wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of designers are already abandoning Adobe because they are tired of their garbage. Many of my peers have turned to Serif Affinity apps as Photoshop/Illustrator/InDesign replacements and they do an incredible job. Nobody cares about Adobe on iPads, most artists are reaching for Procreate. Most of the issues involve sharing of files since Adobe has such a large share and their file types are proprietary. There ar…

Over here on my bubble, Adobe reigns supreme as always.

Yeah, I do some design work for our organization and my time is more valuable than the tool. Figma makes creating a feedback loop easier with a group so it’s worth learning but most of the time adobe products still reign supreme.

Re: DOJ Preps Antitrust Suit to Block Adobe’s $20B Figma Deal

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Post by zztop44 »

Espressosaurus wrote: post #43
cmdialog wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of designers are already abandoning Adobe because they are tired of their garbage. Many of my peers have turned to Serif Affinity apps as Photoshop/Illustrator/InDesign replacements and they do an incredible job. Nobody cares about Adobe on iPads, most artists are reaching for Procreate. Most of the issues involve sharing of files since Adobe has such a large share and their file types are proprietary. There ar…

Agreed. I'm not a professional, but I'm willing to spend money like a pro and I have gone out of my way to avoid Adobe products due to their business practices. So far the main place that is hurting me is Lightroom. None of the equivalents I've tried are as good (still need to try Capture One one of these days, except they are also starting to be...not great with their business). Affinity Photo is a pretty good Photo…

I mean Figma has been devouring their lunch to the point where Adobe was prepared to pay them $20bn to stop

Re: DOJ Preps Antitrust Suit to Block Adobe’s $20B Figma Deal

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Post by [deleted] »

ido wrote: post #63
obblekk wrote: post #8

In case you ever find yourself with as much leverage as Figma seemingly had… always negotiate a break up fee to compensate for exactly this. T-Mobile famously got a $4B breakup fee after DOJ blocked ATT from acquiring them. That $4B was used to buy more spectrum and overhaul the brand, leading to huge growth to the point that T-Mobile is now a big 3 player (it used to be big 2 only). If Figma wrangles $2-3B cash out…

> If Figma wrangles $2-3B cash out of this, they could probably take down the entire adobe ecosystem. I think you highly underestimates how much lock-in adobe has (and intentionally pushed, e.g. by doing what they can to prevent other programs from parsing their file formats, similar to what Microsoft used to do but fortunately no longer does).

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Re: DOJ Preps Antitrust Suit to Block Adobe’s $20B Figma Deal

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Post by Spooky23 »

j_crick wrote: post #25
obblekk wrote: post #8

In case you ever find yourself with as much leverage as Figma seemingly had… always negotiate a break up fee to compensate for exactly this. T-Mobile famously got a $4B breakup fee after DOJ blocked ATT from acquiring them. That $4B was used to buy more spectrum and overhaul the brand, leading to huge growth to the point that T-Mobile is now a big 3 player (it used to be big 2 only). If Figma wrangles $2-3B cash out…

> If Figma wrangles $2-3B cash out of this, they could probably take down the entire adobe ecosystem Do you think that just $2-3B would be enough to push for developing alternatives to at least Photoshop and Illustrator and Lightroom and After Effects and successfully going after their markets? During what timeframe? Doesn’t feel like it tbh.

Adobe is rapacious since they went subscription. They have amazing technology, but every contract renewal is a high stakes game.

My business would dump 50% of our Adobe footprint just for leverage.

Re: DOJ Preps Antitrust Suit to Block Adobe’s $20B Figma Deal

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Post by knicholes »

cmdialog wrote: post #33
j_crick wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If Figma wrangles $2-3B cash out of this, they could probably take down the entire adobe ecosystem Do you think that just $2-3B would be enough to push for developing alternatives to at least Photoshop and Illustrator and Lightroom and After Effects and successfully going after their markets? During what timeframe? Doesn’t feel like it tbh.

A lot of designers are already abandoning Adobe because they are tired of their garbage. Many of my peers have turned to Serif Affinity apps as Photoshop/Illustrator/InDesign replacements and they do an incredible job. Nobody cares about Adobe on iPads, most artists are reaching for Procreate. Most of the issues involve sharing of files since Adobe has such a large share and their file types are proprietary. There ar…

It's funny you say that, because if you look at Adobe's financials, you'll find that yoy revenue has continued to only increase and is continually hitting new records.

Re: DOJ Preps Antitrust Suit to Block Adobe’s $20B Figma Deal

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Post by andybak »

satvikpendem wrote: post #2

That would be incredible, please do! Figma is the only design tool that actually approaches design from an engineering standpoint, which can be seen in their feature set of things like having reusable components, variants, inheritance etc, which then maps very cleanly onto the code side.

Many of those features are in other apps. It's surely a difference of degree rather than kind?

(I can't reel off a list as I don't do design day to day any more but I used to and I was a fan of apps that had exactly this approach.

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