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Re: CheatGPT

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Post by sixothree »

ramesh31 wrote: post #27
jasmer wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

??? By this reasonning nobody should ever learn anything, because it's all 'trivially doable' by machine. Like 'addition' and 'subtraction'. So let's gaslight those dumb teachers by saying they should make up 'better' homework assignments?

>By this reasonning nobody should ever learn anything, because it's all 'trivially doable' by machine. >Like 'addition' and 'subtraction'. A better analogy would be low level coding. I don't know (or care) how my processor calculates `var f = 3+2` at the register level. And being able to ignore that allows me to focus on higher level concerns.

One of the required classes for CS degree was Assembly Language. Nobody taking or teaching the class pretended there would be a great need for this language in a job setting. But that wasn't the point of this class.

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Post by papaver »

let them cheat. every assignment let them know that in the end they are only hurting themselves. the ones that want to learn, won't cheat. simple as that. and that ones that cheat and leverage it, great. hope that works out in the future at your next destination. all you can ever do is present the facts. there is no point wasting time trying to catch this.

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Post by sixothree »

shagie wrote: post #54
carabiner wrote: post #46

Soon you will have to use version control and submit version history with homework. Though maybe chatgpt can generate that, too.

Given the amount of `git add . ; git commit -m "everything"` that I've seen with professional developers, I am not confident that you'd get anything better from students.

Entire feature tickets with one single commit drive me batty.

Re: CheatGPT

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Post by underwater »

agrippanux wrote: post #37

What ChatGPT (and its cousins) expose is that the way humans have been taught in most schools - memorizing and regurgitating information - is now a commodity. What humans being to the table over ChatGPT is our ability to create new links between information, aka creativity. Teaching creativity, imo, will require a return to the methods like those of Sophocles and his contemporaries. I would rather this author be writ…

Schools haven't been focused on rote learning for eons. I don't know where you get that idea from.

Re: CheatGPT

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Post by paulcole »

agrippanux wrote: post #37

What ChatGPT (and its cousins) expose is that the way humans have been taught in most schools - memorizing and regurgitating information - is now a commodity. What humans being to the table over ChatGPT is our ability to create new links between information, aka creativity. Teaching creativity, imo, will require a return to the methods like those of Sophocles and his contemporaries. I would rather this author be writ…

I grew up in the late 1980s and early 1990s and have a phenomenal memory. My dad used to tell me how valuable it would be once I grew up and got a job. It’s so funny how false that ended up being.

It’s much more beneficial socially because I can recall jokes that fit situations incredibly quickly and get a good laugh.

Re: CheatGPT

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Post by gravitronic »

Perhaps to teach programming at the university level we will need to better mimic real world software development. I always found the 300-line assignments to be a poor practice for the real job where you have 100k LOC legacy systems.

We should work backwards from "what skills should students learn".

Maybe we need to make larger assignments that need to pass larger acceptance tests. Students who chose to use chat gpt will also need to learn the skills necessary to debug its output.

Re: CheatGPT

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Post by spiderxxxx »

People are going to use it, so telling them not to doesn't work. You can demonstrate the proper way to use it, and caveats of using it directly without any thought, but you need to explain how to analyze code, and how to check that it's doing what you think it's doing. Also remind them that it won't come up with new ways to solve a problem - it's trained on how people solved problems in the past, but not all the possible ways to solve a problem. The best students probably wouldn't use it, and wouldn't need to, or they will use it, but know when it's giving an inefficient or insufficient response. Either way, you can't stop it, so learn to harness it.

Re: CheatGPT

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Post by indigodaddy »

papaver wrote: post #62

let them cheat. every assignment let them know that in the end they are only hurting themselves. the ones that want to learn, won't cheat. simple as that. and that ones that cheat and leverage it, great. hope that works out in the future at your next destination. all you can ever do is present the facts. there is no point wasting time trying to catch this.

Sure but if you allow it aren’t you facilitating a potentially unfair (or unreliable) baseline?

Re: CheatGPT

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Post by [deleted] »

jasmer wrote: post #17
paxys wrote: post #8

> Apparently, it's not even something students feel they need to hide. Which is good! If a bit of work is trivially accomplished by a machine, we should take it for granted and move on to the next layer of complexity. I have always maintained that teachers complaining about students cheating at homework assignments with AI need to instead work on providing better homework.

??? By this reasonning nobody should ever learn anything, because it's all 'trivially doable' by machine. Like 'addition' and 'subtraction'. So let's gaslight those dumb teachers by saying they should make up 'better' homework assignments?

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Re: CheatGPT

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Post by visarga »

aaplok wrote: post #55
PostOnce wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

proctored in-person exams, no electronics allowed exams now count for 100% of your grade these aren't insurmountably difficult problems for universities to solve

That's assuming they want to solve it. A lot of administrators live in lalaland because it suits them to. It is in the interest of society to fail cheaters and frauds before they graduate, but it costs the universities money to do it properly. So they will only address the problem if it comes to public attention. That's a trend that we've seen over and over, for example with the corruption over admission to Ivy leagu…

> In fact chatGPT doesn't really change the landscape that much. All it does is democratising contract cheating

But generative AI will remain a workhorse even after graduation.

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