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I have never seen an iPhone case that blocks the buttons personally, so I am not sure what OP is on about. _Maybe_ an iPad case would do this.
I’m using an official Apple iPhone 14 case right now and it covers the buttons with other buttons which will transfer the pressure. You never touch the actual original buttons (but the silence switch is exposed).
Apple, please don’t take all of the buttons away
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Re: Apple, please don’t take all of the buttons away
#62Just think of how many times you've waited in irritation and frustration for your inkjet printer to stop mucking about and preening itself before it starts printing. Right, it's a damn pain. (Please don't tell me that this wait is necessary because it just isn't.) Same goes for operating systems that have to be shut down and rebooted whenever certain changes are made.
For years I've advocated that software and computer science courses have compulsory strands on ergonomics but I'm now of the opinion that this is not enough. We need to teach basic ergonomics at school so kids when they grow up don't sit around like stuffed dummies as now and accept without complaint the shit that software and hardware vendors regularly dish out but instead become forceful complainers who won't accept junk. At the same time designers would be aware that customers actually have needs and that usability ought to be a key part of design and not an afterthought or forgotten about altogether.
An important final point: designers and developers do not use equipment in the same way ordinary users do. For some peculiar reason this isn't obvious to them. This is the reason they need to be force fed ergonomics whether it's at school or as part of their university courses.
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#63I'm sure they'll do it since it saves money. I had a horrible time teaching my grandparents to use the gesture navigation on their new iPad (they still hate it, they still get regularly anxious because they can't reliably make the "home" gesture instead of clear feedback of a hardware button and there's many gestures they accidentally trigger which cannot be disabled in A11y or MDM settings) - but they saved money an…
Probably it doesn't actually. I assume the reason is actually waterproofing and one less physical thing to wear out or break -- so it's for reliability. It probably actually costs more to do, but saves the user money in repairs/replacement.
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#64The lack of awareness of ergonomics and the need for good ergonomic design amongst designers of digital equipment and software has gotten so atrociously bad in recent years that it's almost reached crisis point. A huge percentage of e-waste can be put down to bad design simply because users are so fed up and frustrated with equipment that doesn't perform properly or isn't responsive enough that they discard it premat…
I don't see how they're any different from regular buttons ergonomics-wise.
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#65The haptic home button does not work when wearing gloves on iPhone SE 2022 (I just tested it). With haptic side buttons, a 3rd party case couldn’t use plastic over the buttons (my iPhone SE 2022 case has molded button covers as part of the plastic surround). Aside: Apple’s usability feels like it is going downhill. As a very recent Android -> iPhone convert, I keep bumping into obvious and serious usability flaws, ev…
Surely Apple will implement volume buttons that respond to pressure, like those do, rather than capacitance, like the iPhone home button.
And so a 3rd party case that covers the buttons would still work just fine.
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#66I still miss the home button on the iPhone. I know it takes up what otherwise would be screen space. I know it's been years. But the UX of what we have now is so much worse. Touch ID is significantly better than Face ID. Way less false positives. Way less false failures that force you to enter your passcode. You can use it in the dark. You can use it in your pocket. I ditched my iPad Pro for an iPad Air specifically…
It already has for certain iPad models, and rumors were it was coming to the iPhone SE 4 but that's delayed now (if not cancelled). But it's likely it will come to whatever budget successor phone Apple reveals next.
Re: Apple, please don’t take all of the buttons away
#67The lack of awareness of ergonomics and the need for good ergonomic design amongst designers of digital equipment and software has gotten so atrociously bad in recent years that it's almost reached crisis point. A huge percentage of e-waste can be put down to bad design simply because users are so fed up and frustrated with equipment that doesn't perform properly or isn't responsive enough that they discard it premat…
What do haptic buttons have to do with ergonomics? I don't see how they're any different from regular buttons ergonomics-wise.
The answer is so blatantly obvious I can't be bothered answering it. Did you actually read the article? There's a few clues therein.
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#68I like my MacBook's Touchpad a lot. I also like the iPhone SE/X (hehe)'s haptic feedback combined with the pressure sensor. With this change they might actually get around to implementing a (software defined) shutter button.
I find the TrackPad haptic is excellent. It feels exactly like the old physical press. It's a bit weird, when the pad is off, and pressing does nothing, but, as long as it's on, it feels fine. The Watch crown also feels good. I do agree that the haptic Home button on my iPhone 8 (I keep it for testing) feels weird and wimpy, but I suspect the reason why, is their obsession with thin. It's entirely possible to make ha…
If the software around it wasn't so useless second-layer clicks would be really cool too.
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#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
What do haptic buttons have to do with ergonomics? I don't see how they're any different from regular buttons ergonomics-wise.
Well, if you don't know by now you need to do ergonomics. The answer is so blatantly obvious I can't be bothered answering it. Did you actually read the article? There's a few clues therein.
I actually have extensive knowledge of ergonomics, which is why I'm asking. There are zero clues in the article, so I'd love an explanation.
Because just to be clear -- haptic buttons activated by pressure are just as easily located by touch and require the same amount of force in the same direction. So what is the ergonomic difference?
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#70I'm sure they'll do it since it saves money. I had a horrible time teaching my grandparents to use the gesture navigation on their new iPad (they still hate it, they still get regularly anxious because they can't reliably make the "home" gesture instead of clear feedback of a hardware button and there's many gestures they accidentally trigger which cannot be disabled in A11y or MDM settings) - but they saved money an…
But that's probably not an option for apple.