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Re: The haunting brain science of long Covid

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tcoff91 wrote: post #60
ianai wrote: post #54

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I have history with medical doctors (neurologists) telling me that “men don’t get migraines, I don’t believe you’re in pain and have migraines.” For many years. (It’s more manageable now, but without careful treatment I’ll get a migraine every day across almost every type I’ve heard of existing.) The medical profession has a lot wrong with it. Yes some blame for people who just want drugs and lie. But that doesn’t ex…

Have you tried LSD or psilocybin for your migraines? I believe there is a pretty decent body of evidence that they are effective, even at small doses that don’t make you trip.

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Re: The haunting brain science of long Covid

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Post by ianai »

anonuser123456 wrote: post #59
seydor wrote: post #44

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They are not harmless. Studies so far show that damage is cumulative https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/...

“Experts not involved with the study said the VA population does not reflect the general population.”

That isn’t going to change the core basic facts of how the immune system responds or slowly wears away upon repeat infections.

Re: The haunting brain science of long Covid

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Post by causi »

slaw wrote: post #58
causi wrote: post #22

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what is largely a cold for 99% of the population Firstly, as of January, 11% of people infected with covid still have symptoms. I'm one of them. Personally I wish I'd been more paranoid, maybe I'd still be able to drink a coke without wanting to vomit from the taste or fuel my car without the smell of gasoline making me dry heave. Secondly, that value is derived from reality, i.e., a world where people did "act like…

I wish I'd been more paranoid too. I got side effects from vaccination that I was forced to take and that I didn't need at all because I had covid before.

How is this related to people "acting like pansies" to avoid catching covid?

Re: The haunting brain science of long Covid

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Post by Volundr »

G_z9 wrote: post #56

It’s interesting that COVID’s symptoms, including long Covid, are entirely the human bodies own doing. It’s all inflammatory. Long Covid is at least in part a demonstration of the connection between inflammatory pathways and metabolism. Common infection have been giving people CFS forever but finally the skeptics have been forced to shut up with Covid. The solution to Covid will come through research on long Covid an…

I was wondering why you were down voted right up until the last sentence. Pretty much everything we associate with being sick is our own bodies, not the virus. Inflammation, fever, cough, runny nose, swollen lymph nodes, etc, it's all our own bodies natural defenses, not the virus. By the time we start seeing effects from the virus our bodies defenses have been overwhelmed. The conclusion from that is not the "the virus itself does not hurt you".

Re: The haunting brain science of long Covid

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Post by monetus »

ianai wrote: post #54
fragmede wrote: post #48

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This, by the way, is why I don't discuss that a had long covid ever, with anyone. I don't need random strangers on the Internet that I've never met to believe me, or even believe in Long Covid (half the Internet thinks the vaccine has microchips anyway) but almost none of my friends believe me, which hurt, but fine. It's the medical professionals who didn't believe my symptoms until after there had been a preponderan…

I have history with medical doctors (neurologists) telling me that “men don’t get migraines, I don’t believe you’re in pain and have migraines.” For many years. (It’s more manageable now, but without careful treatment I’ll get a migraine every day across almost every type I’ve heard of existing.) The medical profession has a lot wrong with it. Yes some blame for people who just want drugs and lie. But that doesn’t ex…

Have any anecdotes to share with treatment? For me, adding lamotrigine and cbd have done wonders for being able to head migraines off.

Re: The haunting brain science of long Covid

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Post by ianai »

monetus wrote: post #65
ianai wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have history with medical doctors (neurologists) telling me that “men don’t get migraines, I don’t believe you’re in pain and have migraines.” For many years. (It’s more manageable now, but without careful treatment I’ll get a migraine every day across almost every type I’ve heard of existing.) The medical profession has a lot wrong with it. Yes some blame for people who just want drugs and lie. But that doesn’t ex…

Have any anecdotes to share with treatment? For me, adding lamotrigine and cbd have done wonders for being able to head migraines off.

Ginger is surprisingly useful. Apparently it works similar to a cgrp antagonist. Ask a Dr about cgrp antagonists and cgrp inhibitors. I’ve even pushed ice to the roof of my mouth to fight the migraine pain before.

For a migraine, I once fell asleep in a yoga position that relaxes the trapezius, tens unit across my face and back (separately), a cooling pad across my forehead, and heating pad on my back for 50+ minutes. I had probably taken ginger and a cup of coffee too. I did wake up without the migraine. Traps felt very worn out.

Magnesium lotion might help. I’ve done aloe Vera plus menthol/something cooling before.

Definitely avoid alcohol like it’s the plague. Minimal caffeine per day (double edged sword), proper hydration, never second hand smoke, no strong scents, basically any triggers, etc. The list goes on.

The real trick is finding someone good. For me it was someone with a phd in psychiatry and md neurology who specializes in migraines and is familiar with movement disorders. Probably related to scoliosis of my spine. Dr has some mixture of stuff (including the dental pain killers) to inject for migraines that works miracles.

For long Covid I’m thinking paxlovid, then try to just nuke inflammation with anything known to fight it. But be careful…

Re: The haunting brain science of long Covid

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Post by somewhereoutth »

anonuser123456 wrote: post #59
seydor wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are not harmless. Studies so far show that damage is cumulative https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/...

“Experts not involved with the study said the VA population does not reflect the general population.”

Indeed, but this can be seen as a signal for the wider population for further investigation - certainly we'd now like to prove the negative.

Re: The haunting brain science of long Covid

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Post by snozolli »

poszlem wrote: post #57
snozolli wrote: post #42

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What about the long term brain damage of isolating everyone for years straight Sounds like you need to learn to be more adaptable. I've had no problem meeting with friends to walk outdoors, maintaining friendships throughout the pandemic, all without ever catching COVID. a large sector of the population acting like a bunch of anxious cowards Are you a coward for wearing a seatbelt in a car? How about a helmet when ri…

The issue with this argument is that it could, just as well, be used to force people to wear bubble wrap instead of clothes to avoid falls. The question is how much we're willing to sacrifice for safety. Fortunately, most people aren't willing to go as far as suggested.

The issue with this argument is that it could, just as well, be used to force people to wear bubble wrap instead of clothes

No, it most certainly could not. This is just the slippery slope fallacy.

Incidentally, nobody forced you to wear a mask. You always had other options. You are, however, forced to wear a seatbelt (aside from NH) and, in almost all states, a helmet while on a motorcycle. Other than a few overconfident fools, everyone understands the benefits of these precautions.

Somehow, though, taking reasonable precautions against COVID is tantamount to bubble wrap life. Why? Because it's new and you're so indignant that you can't see you're the wrong side of history.

Re: The haunting brain science of long Covid

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Post by snozolli »

mjr00 wrote: post #50
snozolli wrote: post #42

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What about the long term brain damage of isolating everyone for years straight Sounds like you need to learn to be more adaptable. I've had no problem meeting with friends to walk outdoors, maintaining friendships throughout the pandemic, all without ever catching COVID. a large sector of the population acting like a bunch of anxious cowards Are you a coward for wearing a seatbelt in a car? How about a helmet when ri…

> Sounds like you need to learn to be more adaptable. I've had no problem meeting with friends to walk outdoors, maintaining friendships throughout the pandemic, all without ever catching COVID. Let this be a lesson: this is what privilege sounds like. It's very easy to say "just be more adaptable" when your well-paying job is to sit at home, posting on reddit and occasionally resolving a bug ticket. Meanwhile, tens…

this is what privilege sounds like.

Are you suggesting that other people don't have access to the outside, or communication technology?

Aside from very few places, there was never any actual lockdown. Everyone in America had the right to walk in a park with friends while social distancing.

when your well-paying job is to sit at home, posting on reddit and occasionally resolving a bug ticket

That's quite some projection.

nobody cares about those people

I guess that's why I always wear a mask when in an enclosed area...? Why I always respected personal space of workers and always had patience with them, knowing what they're going through.

Yep, I'm just a privileged meanie. Can't possibly be that I behaved like a responsible, caring adult, using methods available to all Americans.

Re: The haunting brain science of long Covid

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Post by QuantumGood »

poszlem wrote: post #45
rebeccaskinner wrote: post #3

And yet people look at me like I have two heads when I explain that I’m still actively making every effort to avoid getting Covid. The long term brain damage is going to be a massive impact on companies who are forcing RTO and causing their employees to deal with repeat exposures to Covid from co-workers.

It's probable that people are unable to comprehend why someone would willingly undergo the same experiences we have all undergone for the past three years. I used to be firmly in the "I will do everything possible to avoid getting COVID-19" camp. However, I eventually contracted it and endured a challenging two-week sickness. After recovering, I decided that I am no longer willing to halt my life out of fear of catch…

People always seem to play the "live my life" card, and leave out the "I want people to like me" embarrassment of wearing a mask when others don't. You can mostly live your life while wearing a well-fit N95 mask, taking it off to eat and drink.

Never wearing a mask for convenience reasons seems not logical, if wearing a well-fit N95 mask helps. But not doing something due to social and self-esteem pressure is more understandable, if still not optimal. But few want to say peer pressure is a main driver of their behavior.

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