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NetHack 3.6.7

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Re: NetHack 3.6.7

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Post by bheadmaster »

nindalf wrote: post #55
Joker_vD wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, he describes learning. You know, adjusting up the probability of X the more you see X?

All I see in every thread is this meta complaint about seeing this genre of comments too often. I find that pretty annoying. And yet, I don’t want to say my subjective experience is objective truth. Maybe I notice and remember the comments that annoy me? You see how that works?

The only way to even approach objective truth is to communicate your subjective experience and have others tell you whether their subjective experience corresponds to yours or not.

Re: NetHack 3.6.7

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Post by fencepost »

rtontic wrote: post #44
gustavorg wrote: post #35

I must be some kind of medieval purist because today in the middle of 2023 I still play the original rogue, in its 3.6.3 and 5.4 versions, and I can barely tolerate some of the changes. That's what I don't like about Hack and its "new" incarnation, Nethack. Changes were introduced that change the original spirit. I also played Moria and Adom for years with mixed results. I was never able to play Nethack. I'm going to…

Yeah, as sibling said, they are quite different games actually. Rogue to me feels a lot more minimalist, while nethack is 'everything AND a kitchen sink!'.

Isn't it SLASH'EM that's "everything and the sink?"

Re: NetHack 3.6.7

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Post by astrobe_ »

planede wrote: post #51
johnklos wrote: post #50

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Not all security works in your oversimplified Windows-centric ways. Since we're not building a VM per user on multi-user systems, we do care about security of the programs we install.

You don't have to spin up a VM per user to sandbox on Linux. You could use firejail. But traditional UNIX user sandboxing could also go a long way. I'm just saying that I would never trust nethack to not execute arbitrary code and I would have other security measures in place if my threat model required it. It's written in C. I don't expect most contributors to be security focuesed. The primary use is a user running…

You both don't need to be condescending morons ("Windows-centric security", "It's written in C") on such a minor issue.

Re: NetHack 3.6.7

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Post by nindalf »

bheadmaster wrote: post #61
nindalf wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All I see in every thread is this meta complaint about seeing this genre of comments too often. I find that pretty annoying. And yet, I don’t want to say my subjective experience is objective truth. Maybe I notice and remember the comments that annoy me? You see how that works?

The only way to even approach objective truth is to communicate your subjective experience and have others tell you whether their subjective experience corresponds to yours or not.

Great, then I did exactly as you suggest.

Re: NetHack 3.6.7

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Post by bitofhope »

Just a security patch, but I like seeing NetHack featured.

Looking forward to 3.7 where they finally address a glaring omission where up until now deities have been weirdly indifferent about people vomiting on altars.

Re: NetHack 3.6.7

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Post by flenserboy »

aricz wrote: post #19
Rietty wrote: post #3

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I would check out Dungeon Crawl: Stone Soup if you like roguelikes. It is similar to Nethack and has both tiles and an ASCII version.

I'll add Angband to the list. A hack-and-slash roguelike. 1 town, 100 dungeon levels, kill Morgoth and win the game. Diablo 1 was heavily inspired by this game (and Moria).

Angband is great, and was great to find after having played Moria on and off for a few years. The game that really caught me was one of its variants — Zangband. Not because of the Zelazny connections, but because of the sheer size of the gameworld and everything that could be found in it. It hasn't, however, apparently been updated since the mid-aughts.

Re: NetHack 3.6.7

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Post by Pet_Ant »

gustavorg wrote: post #35

I must be some kind of medieval purist because today in the middle of 2023 I still play the original rogue, in its 3.6.3 and 5.4 versions, and I can barely tolerate some of the changes. That's what I don't like about Hack and its "new" incarnation, Nethack. Changes were introduced that change the original spirit. I also played Moria and Adom for years with mixed results. I was never able to play Nethack. I'm going to…

What changes are the ones that bother you? As someone whose played with neither (though I have played with NetHack's source code) I'm curious.
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