is this the largest car recall in history? holy crap
edit: looks like no.. the largest was 578607 cars... also by Tesla lol
Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes
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#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
After having a Tesla with Enhanced Autopilot for 4 years, I decided it wasn't worth the $7,000 extra and stuck with ordinary autopilot. It's just too damn glitchy to be worth thousands of dollars extra.
Hell, right now I'd pay a few bucks to disable AP so I could use the old school cruise control. I still don't understand Tesla's opposition for making that an option whether you have AP or not.
Teslas don't have cruise control?! The arrogance...
Re: Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes
#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm reminded of a thread on HN where someone did a cross country trip and their car only phantom-braked a couple of times, and called that a huge success.
Ha, my new Model 3 phantom braked the first time on the trip home from the service center, which was only 10 miles. I doubt it had even gone over 10 miles on the odometer at that moment.
How were you able to put it into autopilot? Typically, the autopilot is calibrating itself the first 60 or so miles of driving, and it does not let you engage it.
Re: Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes
#64> The FSD Beta system may cause crashes by allowing the affected vehicles to: “act unsafe around intersections, such as traveling straight through an intersection while in a turn-only lane, entering a stop sign-controlled intersection without coming to a complete stop, or proceeding into an intersection during a steady yellow traffic signal without due caution,” according to the notice on the website of the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.
Does anyone have insights on what QA looks like at Tesla for FSD work? Because all of these seem table-stakes before even thinking about releasing the BETA FSD.
Re: Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes
#65So are they recalling, or releasing a software fix?
Re: Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes
#66It seems like there is a huge disconnect between people who know about FSD from using it and people who know about FSD from things they read on the internet. I have FSD, I use it every single day. I love it. If every car on the road had this the road would be a substantially safer place.
I have it (subscription, just wanted to try it out). I won't use it again. It confidently attempted to drive me into a rather solid object with very little warning. If every other car on the road had this, I would sell all my cars and forbid family members from getting anywhere near the road.
It's nice on the freeway though.
Re: Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes
#67Does a recall like this actually mean owners return their car to Tesla for modification? Or would it be an over-the-air update to remove FSD?
> The auto safety regulator said the Tesla software allows a vehicle to "exceed speed limits or travel through intersections in an unlawful or unpredictable manner increases the risk of a crash." Tesla will release an over-the-air (OTA) software update, free of charge. https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-... Sounds like it's just a patch release with regulators involved.
I'm not sure how to reconcile that statement with how FSD beta works. Fine, the speed limit thing is easy to fix-- just cap the max speed to the speed limit.
But the "[traveling] through intersections in an unlawful or unpredictable manner" is inherent to the FSD beta. Most of the time it does "fine", but there's some intersections where it will inexplicably swerve into different lanes and then correct itself. And this can change beta-to-beta (one in particular used to be bad, it got fixed at some point, then went back to the old swerving behavior).
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#68I still can't believe FSD Beta was allowed on public roads. I've had it since day 1, and oh my god. It behaves worse than a drunk teenager. All the updates since, have made it barely better. This needs to be pulled entirely and rethought.
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Yeah so now the driver error can be automated. Great.
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#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
When someone can drive from Palm Springs to SF with no intervention does that not make it bullshit anymore?
When someone can drive from Palm Springs to SF Does that mean "stay in the correct lane on the interstate and take the proper exits without hitting anything" or does that mean "begin inside your garage and end inside another garage five hundred miles away without touching anything"? The first one is nearly trivial. It stops being bullshit when they stop telling the user they need to pay attention to the road, and not…
I wouldn't describe it as trivial. My Tesla would phantom brake consistently in a lot of spots - overpasses were a very big trigger.
Also anytime I'd pass an exit I wasn't taking in the right lane it would veer and slow down aggressively, same with trying to speed match a car rapidly accelerating on an on ramp.
Bottom line, there's absolutely nothing that isn't driver assist; everything requires a significant amount of vigilance when you aren't driving in a straight line, in the left lane, on an empty highway with no one entering and exiting.