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Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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The problem with this analysis is that first movers usually don't win.

In the long run, sure. In the short to medium term, though, they solidly dominate the field. We're still in that phase phase of both Tesla and Bing AI.

Bing isn't dominating anything haha.

Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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Has sundar been a good CEO otherwise?

He survived for 8+ years as a Google CEO and 4+ years as Alphabet CEO. Tells that he has done few things OK.

He is world class at being inoffensive. He's great at testifying to Congress.

Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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Here's the weird thing though, as discussed yesterday [1], the Microsoft demo was totally broken as well. In the end, everyone is looking for a big platform shift (next MOBILE!!!) and hype getting ahead of reality. When we look back in 3 months we will wonder why we thought LLM/GPT type queries will replace search in all forms. https://dkb.blog/p/bing-ai-cant-be-trusted

There seems to be an inordinate amount of venom directed at Pichai relative to other CEOs

Could it be part of the aftermath of the layoffs?

Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the long run, sure. In the short to medium term, though, they solidly dominate the field. We're still in that phase phase of both Tesla and Bing AI.

In the short term Google has an utterly dominant position in Search, and Bing AI is basically irrelevant to this. What people are worried about are the implications for the long term.

The comment you replied to makes no mentions of timelines, and everything they said applies up to the point the first mover falls, which is clearly not the long term per your own argument.

The goal posts also aren't "search" they're "AI enhanced search", let's not muddy the waters by moving them. Google may certainly be dominating in search, but they are clearly trying to sprint from miles behind in the latter.

Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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The writing is on the wall. Sundar hasn’t done anything but maintain the status quo at Google. That is a loss for google, particularly GCP didn’t gain any market share, couldn’t productize their self driving car platform effectively, the ad market is facing increased pressure from all governments. I see him replaced soon or some activist investor demanding some changes.

Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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In the long run, sure. In the short to medium term, though, they solidly dominate the field. We're still in that phase phase of both Tesla and Bing AI.

Bing isn't dominating anything haha.

I mean, they certainly are in the "AI integrated search" field, considering.... You know.... This entire post and discussion happening.

Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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Whats with everything being a dumpster fire nowadays? how about a simple hot mess? or what happened to a good ol hell in a hand-basket? or Ninth Circle Of Hell? I'm sure there are better euphemisms than the dumpster being on fhir as that indicates someone stoking it whereas the reality is more indecision and inaction causing confusion and demoralizing the teams.

Everything has to be turned up to 11 today because too many people think they won't get enough attention if they actually label something as severe/important as it actually is.

Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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Here's the weird thing though, as discussed yesterday [1], the Microsoft demo was totally broken as well. In the end, everyone is looking for a big platform shift (next MOBILE!!!) and hype getting ahead of reality. When we look back in 3 months we will wonder why we thought LLM/GPT type queries will replace search in all forms. https://dkb.blog/p/bing-ai-cant-be-trusted

Google obviously is facing headwinds as the open web, and thus web search, has been slowly dying over time. Because they are milking it the whole way down, they aren't very clear (to be generous) about what their go-forward strategy is (or if it exists).

But the bigger thing is that Satya Nadella also has the "it" factor - he has a way of communicating effectively. Even when Microsoft is fucking you over for the last few years, they come out smelling like roses. Sundar doesn't have that gravity and gets overshadowed in public by the Google Cloud guy.

The markets hate the perception of weakness and punish it. Microsoft is taking Bing, a joke product, and it's repackaging of Chrome and pushing it from a place of strength. No different than stitching a bunch of random shit together created Teams, which made Slack instantly irrelevant and was the equivalent of flipping the bird at Google. They're dangerous to Google because of that.

Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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Sundar is good at keeping things running as-is. He was elevated to CEO of Google to keep things running as-is while the founders moved their exciting ventures up to Alphabet. When those other bets were abandoned, Sundar was left as the top engaged executive, but he's still only a caretaker when the company needs an actual leader with vision to navigate their competition. So, no. He has not been a good CEO. He was a g…

It's true. Even Ballmer had a vision.

Leadership with actual visions is a rarity these days across the board. It's not just large companies who are getting their lunch eaten by startups left and right (cough Oracle), but also politics. Most people in high positions want the fame associated with the title (and for companies, the compensation), but not provide leadership beyond managing the status quo - and to make it worse, both shareholders and voters seem to prefer stability over progress.
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