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Cause of Fatal 2021 Tesla Wreck Was “Excessive Speed” and “Alcohol Intoxication”

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Re: Cause of Fatal 2021 Tesla Wreck Was “Excessive Speed” and “Alcohol Intoxication”

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Post by grecy »

Smoosh wrote: post #27
anonporridge wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This was the one where the media reported that because nobody was found in the front seat it must have been the fault of the self-driving feature. And the fact that this was media disinformation won't matter much, because the damage to the Tesla brand and the idea of self driving cars in the public's collective consciousness has already been done, and won't easily be undone by these newly revealed facts. "A lie mak…

Conspiracy theory: Autonomous driving is being undermined by traditional car companies who see that if it is successful, it would hugely change personal transportation and greatly reduce total sales of vehicles.

I don't know if that's true of Autonomous vehicles (it might be), but I think you'd have to be pretty naive to think that isn't happening to Electric Vehicles to continue the trillions and trillions of dollars that flow into the oil and gas industry.

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Post by tgsovlerkhgsel »

ninjagoo wrote: post #51

> Although the driver’s seat was found vacant and the driver was found in the left rear seat, the available evidence suggests that the driver was seated in the driver’s seat at the time of the crash and moved into the rear seat postcrash. Specifically, residential security video showed both the driver and passenger getting into the front seats prior to driving away from the residence. In addition, the EDR data showed…

Injuries on the driver (or lack thereof) should show whether the seatbelt was on top or underneath the driver.

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Post by brewdad »

sowbug wrote: post #2

This was the one where the media reported that because nobody was found in the front seat it must have been the fault of the self-driving feature. The NTSB found that none of the driver-assistance features were activated, and the driver was probably tossed into the backseat from the impact: Although the driver’s seat was found vacant and the driver was found in the left rear seat, the available evidence suggests that…

I'm confused by this description. Are they saying the impact caused the driver to be ejected from the front seat to the rear? I'm not sure physics works that way. Are they saying the driver left the front seat and climbed into the rear so that he could blame autopilot when the police arrived on scene?

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Post by kerpotgh »

brewdad wrote: post #64
sowbug wrote: post #2

This was the one where the media reported that because nobody was found in the front seat it must have been the fault of the self-driving feature. The NTSB found that none of the driver-assistance features were activated, and the driver was probably tossed into the backseat from the impact: Although the driver’s seat was found vacant and the driver was found in the left rear seat, the available evidence suggests that…

I'm confused by this description. Are they saying the impact caused the driver to be ejected from the front seat to the rear? I'm not sure physics works that way. Are they saying the driver left the front seat and climbed into the rear so that he could blame autopilot when the police arrived on scene?

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Post by lalopalota »

brewdad wrote: post #64
sowbug wrote: post #2

This was the one where the media reported that because nobody was found in the front seat it must have been the fault of the self-driving feature. The NTSB found that none of the driver-assistance features were activated, and the driver was probably tossed into the backseat from the impact: Although the driver’s seat was found vacant and the driver was found in the left rear seat, the available evidence suggests that…

I'm confused by this description. Are they saying the impact caused the driver to be ejected from the front seat to the rear? I'm not sure physics works that way. Are they saying the driver left the front seat and climbed into the rear so that he could blame autopilot when the police arrived on scene?

the commenter said "tossed", the NTSB said "moved". there was no speculation as to why.

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Post by hnburnsy »

OT but the NTSB really wants to take the fun out of driving via technology (from the crash report)...

>Recently, the NTSB recommended that NHTSA require all new vehicles to be equipped with passive vehicle-integrated alcohol impairment detection systems, advanced driver monitoring systems, or a combination thereof, which are capable of preventing or limiting vehicle operation if driver impairment by alcohol is detected.

>A vehicle technology-based solution, such as intelligent speed adaptation (ISA), can reduce speeding. The NTSB has recommended that NHTSA incentivize passenger vehicle manufacturers and consumers to adopt ISA systems by, for example, including ISA in the New Car Assessment Program.

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Post by jcranmer »

epgui wrote: post #39
jcranmer wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> greatly reduce total sales of vehicles. This is one of those things that always struck me as a weird, poor argument... how is autonomous driving supposed to suddenly make everyone want to stop owning their cars and use taxis instead?

When you own a car, you typically only use it a small percentage of the day (it certainly is true of the average owner). When you're offering a ride service, that one car is being utilized a much higher proportion of the day. Ignoring the driver, taxi/ride-hail/autonomous-ride services are much more efficient uses of a vehicle over time. (And this is just a side note, but obviously if you don't have to pay for a huma…

I think you're missing another important aspect of car usage: demand is quite bursty. A substantial portion of the workforce works 9-5 jobs, and that means that the chief demand is shuttling people to their jobs at the same time. A fleet sized to carry that demand is going to have poor utilization for the rest of the day--no better than 50%, and probably somewhat below 25%--simply because there's nothing for those cars to do.

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Post by brentm »

ninjagoo wrote: post #51

> Although the driver’s seat was found vacant and the driver was found in the left rear seat, the available evidence suggests that the driver was seated in the driver’s seat at the time of the crash and moved into the rear seat postcrash. Specifically, residential security video showed both the driver and passenger getting into the front seats prior to driving away from the residence. In addition, the EDR data showed…

It probably was the later. It seems probable he was attempting to exit using the backdoor because he was unable to operate the front due to it's loss of function. Horrifying situation to visualize if that is indeed what happened.

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Post by sokoloff »

jeffbee wrote: post #41

But should the P100D or any other car noted for its sudden acceleration even be allowed to exist? We're putting GPS radios on electric scooters so they can't exceed 10MPH in school zones, meanwhile drunk bozos can tap 1000HP if they want.

I don’t see that some people crash them while drunk as a valid reason to not sell supercars and hypercars.
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