It’s possible that many users classify them as junk and so the Bayesian filters learn from that. Plus they might actually be junk. The filters are usually content based.
Tell HN: Microsoft classifies own emails as junk
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#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, I can't wrap my head around the fact that VS Code and Teams came out of the same company. That the same people who thought "it's a good idea to use CS theory to add a type system to Javascript" are the same people who thought "it's a good idea to put ads in the start menu".
VS Code's selling point is that it's a middle-ground between (relatively) lightweight performance of a text editor, and power of an IDE. People are keeping an eye on performance, and they'll stop using it if it just becomes a bloated, master-of-none IDE. Teams' bread and butter is being "good enough" for enterprise. And they're also locked into a lot of bad early decisions they made since they don't want to break com…
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#63Junk email classification seems to be hard for everyone. I've seen Apple and Google do similar things with their respective email clients and messages from their own companies.
At a previous job, we might have lost a significant contract if I hadn't been checking my Gmail junk folder. A former client was trying to contact me from a new company about potential work, and Gmail must have thought the start-up's domain was risky.
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#64I saw a bunch of mails just now in my junk folder from Microsoft support engineers, from threads I was CC'd on. That was it though.
Thats really bad honestly, imagine if you missed something important from Azure because its in a spam filter.
It's an incredibly common problem. Super important email, like an outage is brewing, or they are EOL'ing something which is going to blow you up (like older TLS versions), and yeah, you got it, but you probably didn't read it.
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#65Microsoft's disjointed approach to email doesn't surprise me here. They're actively enabling more phishing and fraud by not respecting the DMARC standard or participating in sending aggregate reports. For all that people like to bag on Google recently, Google has worked harder than anybody on this.
We are seeing the initial skirmishes in a knock-down, drag-out war that users are going to lose.
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I'm sure the Azure people are aware and annoyed. I appreciate that the security people are holding the line.
Or Microsoft are just terrible at classifying spam
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#67Mentioned before in another thread. Google workspace flagged an email from Google domains as spam. And it wasn't even a marketing email from them. It was a reminder that I had a .dev domain about to be renewed. I guess that's what happens when you're just too big. And I don't blame the Gmail team. Google has probably launched and killed a thousand products with a thousand domains so curating that whitelist is probabl…
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#68Re: Tell HN: Microsoft classifies own emails as junk
#69The fact that Microsoft doesn't just whitelist their own domains speaks to their commitment to strict security measures and good engineering culture. Special cases aren't special enough to break the rules.
You'd think that they'd have a non-domain-based way to do it, like cryptographically signing their own damn emails with a key embedded in outlook or something.
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#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
VS Code's selling point is that it's a middle-ground between (relatively) lightweight performance of a text editor, and power of an IDE. People are keeping an eye on performance, and they'll stop using it if it just becomes a bloated, master-of-none IDE. Teams' bread and butter is being "good enough" for enterprise. And they're also locked into a lot of bad early decisions they made since they don't want to break com…
What do people not like about Teams? I just started using it with a contract customer and it seems fine. Does what it says on the proverbial tin.