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MDMA and psilocybin are approved as medicines in Australia

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Re: MDMA and psilocybin are approved as medicines in Australia

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Post by danayfm »

Traubenfuchs wrote: post #6

I have had the happiest moments of my life on MDMA. Everyone should have experienced it at least once. Let me put it another way: No matter how happy you have ever been, on MDMA you can be happier. Somewhere between 3 and 100 times as happy. You gain perspective. Now, with experience, I would only ever use it with purpose. Dating someone seriously? Have a night on MDMA and you will experience love beyond comprehensio…

I agree and totally have done MDMA while dating someone. But as good as the high was, the breakup was/is the worst of my life because of these moments we had together that were x100 more intense.

Don't recommend doing this if you think you'll later break up.

Re: MDMA and psilocybin are approved as medicines in Australia

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Post by ActorNightly »

aeturnum wrote: post #25

This is fantastic! I am generally very pro-psychadelic - they seem like they can offer unique aid to people and they are not very prone to abuse. The only "downside" is that, because outcomes vary widely (though are generally not negative, simply unhelpful), it's hard to call them "medicine" in the way that, say, asprin is medicine. However, with the proper understanding, I'm hopeful they can be a really helpful tool…

There is already a proper understanding of them - they are pharmacologicaly super safe. Beyond that, they should be available for anyone to try, whether you "need" them or not, in non hero dose amounts, in therapy settings.

Re: MDMA and psilocybin are approved as medicines in Australia

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Post by tempsy »

galangalalgol wrote: post #60
petesergeant wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> because outcomes vary widely, it's hard to call them "medicine" Is that so different from any other psychiatric medicine?

No kidding! Might help, but won't cause harm, and you probably won't have to take it forever, matbe even just once? I know LSD has been attributed some harmful effects, does psilocybin have no chance of psychotic breaks or ???

recreational doses are not necessarily therapeutic doses

if you are taking a psychedelic as part of some therapy regime it is not a tripping balls level dose

Re: MDMA and psilocybin are approved as medicines in Australia

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Post by snvzz »

danayfm wrote: post #61
Traubenfuchs wrote: post #6

I have had the happiest moments of my life on MDMA. Everyone should have experienced it at least once. Let me put it another way: No matter how happy you have ever been, on MDMA you can be happier. Somewhere between 3 and 100 times as happy. You gain perspective. Now, with experience, I would only ever use it with purpose. Dating someone seriously? Have a night on MDMA and you will experience love beyond comprehensio…

I agree and totally have done MDMA while dating someone. But as good as the high was, the breakup was/is the worst of my life because of these moments we had together that were x100 more intense. Don't recommend doing this if you think you'll later break up.

>Don't recommend doing this if you think you'll later break up.

Meaning, statistically, you simply shouldn't.

Re: MDMA and psilocybin are approved as medicines in Australia

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Post by perilunar »

andrewstuart wrote: post #3

Remember this is Australia - a very conservative country. Marijuana possession remains a criminal offence here in most places, with minimal sign this will change any time soon. When they say "for medical usage", they mean it. This is not just a nice acceptable easing in of liberal recreational drugs policy. Don't expect to be buying party drugs from the chemist before going out on saturday night. Despite the fact tha…

> Remember this is Australia - a very conservative country

Lol. Australia is less conservative than the US. We are much less religious, sex work is legal, and the drinking age is lower. Marijuana is widely available and accepted, and its legal status is irrelevant most of the time.

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Post by teaearlgraycold »

kkielhofner wrote: post #48
digdugdirk wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd far prefer people overusing psychedelics than the current trend of overusing alcohol, painkillers, sleeping pills, etc.

It’s still a little fresh but I called 911 on my Lyft driver last night. He had a woman (who I later learned was homeless) in the passenger seat slumped over, struggling to breathe, and very clearly in some kind of opioid overdose. A sargeant from the police department eventually called me back from his cellphone to tell me they caught up with the driver and reversed her. It was traumatic and all things being equal I…

What the fuck was happening there? Why pick you up with an OD'ing homeless person? Did the driver give them drugs? Just... ???

Re: MDMA and psilocybin are approved as medicines in Australia

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Post by Traubenfuchs »

neom wrote: post #24
Traubenfuchs wrote: post #6

I have had the happiest moments of my life on MDMA. Everyone should have experienced it at least once. Let me put it another way: No matter how happy you have ever been, on MDMA you can be happier. Somewhere between 3 and 100 times as happy. You gain perspective. Now, with experience, I would only ever use it with purpose. Dating someone seriously? Have a night on MDMA and you will experience love beyond comprehensio…

Regarding your last sentence, if you want to go one step up from that, 2C-B is like MDMA x200 for a "night of fun with someone you love". It's beyond anything I've ever experienced before by a long shot, highly recommend.

I am pretty bad with acquiring illicit compounds beyond what the local hardcore gay clubbing dealer sells. Which is usually limited to e, mephedrone, crystal meth and cocaine. The last three being addictive hardcore drugs I won‘t ever try a second time.

Re: MDMA and psilocybin are approved as medicines in Australia

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Post by Traubenfuchs »

comprev wrote: post #16
Traubenfuchs wrote: post #6

I have had the happiest moments of my life on MDMA. Everyone should have experienced it at least once. Let me put it another way: No matter how happy you have ever been, on MDMA you can be happier. Somewhere between 3 and 100 times as happy. You gain perspective. Now, with experience, I would only ever use it with purpose. Dating someone seriously? Have a night on MDMA and you will experience love beyond comprehensio…

MDMA isn't called the "love drug" for nothing. Raves are very friendly places and the chillout/smoking zones are full of interesting people.

Friendly? Interesting? I just met sex/love/kissing crazed prey and predators. But I only ever did e at gay clubbings.

Re: MDMA and psilocybin are approved as medicines in Australia

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Post by askvictor »

perilunar wrote: post #65
andrewstuart wrote: post #3

Remember this is Australia - a very conservative country. Marijuana possession remains a criminal offence here in most places, with minimal sign this will change any time soon. When they say "for medical usage", they mean it. This is not just a nice acceptable easing in of liberal recreational drugs policy. Don't expect to be buying party drugs from the chemist before going out on saturday night. Despite the fact tha…

> Remember this is Australia - a very conservative country Lol. Australia is less conservative than the US. We are much less religious, sex work is legal, and the drinking age is lower. Marijuana is widely available and accepted, and its legal status is irrelevant most of the time.

It's really a funny one. In many things we're very conservative, in others, much less so. And it's not quite clear why, in which areas. The US is a big place, and varies wildly state-to-state, so not worth comparing as a whole.

Re: MDMA and psilocybin are approved as medicines in Australia

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Post by askvictor »

Benjamin_Dobell wrote: post #58
petesergeant wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Australians I know tend to have this weird cognitive dissonance where they bemoan the nanny state they live in, and then complain about the lack of rules in the other countries they visit

Is it really cognitive dissonance that we're assessing laws individually based on merit, rather than prescribing to simple-minded political ideologies focused on vague concepts like more/less laws?

No, but bemoaning the 'nanny state' sounds like a simple minded ideology.
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