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Do we live in a society without a counterculture?

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Re: Do we live in a society without a counterculture?

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Post by jacooper »

hbossy wrote: post #32
yunruse wrote: post #13

Art today is definitely and absolutely still made with love and passion. Films like Everything Everywhere All At Once (or the recent episode of The Last Of Us) take a popular concept or franchise and make it their own. Fanfiction is still at crazy levels, thanks to websites like AO3. The book industry still has outstanding popular modern works which stand on their own and refuse to let genre define them. (Becky Chamb…

Taking established media and making it a LGBT story is has been pretty much mainstream for long time. We live in a world where all major corporations put rainbows on their logos for a month every year, just to meet the expectations of general audience.

When did the audience ever want that? Its rather a movement that companies just ran with, and audience tolerated or ignored.

Re: Do we live in a society without a counterculture?

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Post by ghusto »

hbossy wrote: post #24

So the author realized he is consuming only the mainstream culture and concluded anything other is too hard to notice, therefore not a counterculture?

If no one knows about it, does it matter?

You use Gopher, use an "alternative" OS, get your news from longform nuanced podcasts? Great, but 99% of people don't.

Contrast that with the counter culture of the 60s, or even 90s, where people were at least _aware_ that something else existed, even if they were violently against it.

Re: Do we live in a society without a counterculture?

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Post by jasode »

adamcharnock wrote: post #20

I'm pretty sure I've been existing in a number of counter-cultures for the last decade or two. These have been either linked to my identity or physical location, I couldn't have properly experienced them through consuming media on the subject. Certainly all required an active choice and/or lifestyle change on my part. Maybe people mean something else by counter-culture, but here are examples from my life: - Freelanci…

>Maybe people mean something else by counter-culture, but here are examples from my life [...] I'm not sure if I am agreeing and disagreeing with the OP.

Your examples of counter culture are alternative lifestyles.

The author (Kirk Thaker) and his cited author (Ted Gioia) were talking about media and entertainment content. Basically, the "long-tail" of obscure/experimental content not being widely exposed and whatever content they do see all looks the same to them.

Those are orthogonal areas of counter culture. E.g. You have a digital nomad living 100% in a camping RV ... but watches the same popular Netflix shows as everybody else. Or, you have the person that ignores popular sports and tv shows and only reads obscure Japanese comics... but works at a conventional 9-to-5 office job.

Re: Do we live in a society without a counterculture?

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Post by n0tth3dro1ds »

codingdave wrote: post #31

Am I being overly simplistic to say that the answer is that countercultures are found in real life, and not on social media?

Not at all. Silicon Valley tech companies crushed all dissenting opinions online to a comical level. The only place you’re allowed to have a dissenting opinion is in real life

Re: Do we live in a society without a counterculture?

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Post by joxel »

n0tth3dro1ds wrote: post #57
ArnoVW wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My understanding of counterculture is that it 'counters'. I.e. it inherently searches to change or influence the dominant culture. Your examples do show that we are (thankfully) not a monoculture. But they place themselves outside of our culture, instead trying to influence. A good example of counter culture is BLM, Extinction Rebellion or Occupy Wallstreet. Only thing: those are movements, not cultures. And they are…

>BLM >LGBT >counter culture Endlessly supported by literally every news outlet, major tech company, big 5 sports league, F1000, university, and at least half of the political class. You’re not counter to any major institution, lmao. You’re not the resistance

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Re: Do we live in a society without a counterculture?

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Post by somewhereoutth »

mellosouls wrote: post #16

I see the counter culture over the last few years as the less obnoxious elements of the alt-right/conservative and centrist/"classic liberal" in their opposition to the overreach and oppression by the "liberal"/left especially in their domination of big tech and classic media. However, as the recognition of that unpleasant latter tendency has become mainstream and everybody and her grandma now knows what "woke" means…

The alt right is essentially some 'stronger' people giving themselves permission to (try to) hurt 'weaker' people. Not sure that can be called a culture, counter or otherwise.

Re: Do we live in a society without a counterculture?

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Post by nostromo123 »

nxmnxm99 wrote: post #35
adamcharnock wrote: post #20

I'm pretty sure I've been existing in a number of counter-cultures for the last decade or two. These have been either linked to my identity or physical location, I couldn't have properly experienced them through consuming media on the subject. Certainly all required an active choice and/or lifestyle change on my part. Maybe people mean something else by counter-culture, but here are examples from my life: - Freelanci…

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In a universe that does not specify LGBTQIA quotas upon hiring, for instance... counterculture nowadays equals not being a minority.

Re: Do we live in a society without a counterculture?

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Post by zozbot234 »

cfltlayoffs wrote: post #47
mellosouls wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm strictly considering the definition as "an alternative to dominant [as opposed to popular] opinion and social mores". I'd probably agree the bulk of indier-than-thou creations are produced by people on the left (not all of whom demand we also bow to their political interpretation of the world); some of the work excellent, most of it perhaps not.

That's not what the article is about. The article is about creative content, and how YouTube content is aesthetically all the same. Jordan Peterson videos have the same stupid thumbnails as all other clickbait. People have said it in the thread, but counter-culture is really defined retrospectively. You look at the movements that existed on the periphery but later inspired the mainstream. Velvet Underground wasn't se…

Well, it's no wonder since you're looking at YouTube which is basically a curated experience. Take a look at Rumble and other YT alternatives and you'll see plenty of counter-cultural video content. Plus there's other media like image macros, real-world social stunts etc. The counter-culture is quite real.
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