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Elementary OS 7

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Re: Elementary OS 7

#61

I fully believe that Elementary survives only because 99% of those purported 400,000 downloads are really just YouTubers racing each other to apply some anime wallpaper and show it off on YouTube. I firmly believe that Elementary OS has no utility over Arch/Fedora/Ubuntu and that any income they receive from donors is money ill-spent.

Okay!

Re: Elementary OS 7

#63
post #55

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Yes, they lost me on the lack of upgrades. When a new version came out, I saw there were a few random blogs posts on how to do a very much unsupported upgrade through the command line. But I avoided the risk. Since I'd have to do a reinstall anyway, I downloaded stock Ubuntu and never looked back. And I was a happy Elementary OS user. Alas, I can understand where they were coming from, though, on that decision. They…

I 100% agree, they can prioritize however they want, but please for the love of well-meaning techies, drop the "replacement for Windows and macOS" talk, and make a pop-up warning that reinstallation is going to be necessary in the future before you download, so that you don't spread it everywhere only to discover you've just sunk everyone. It's really not that hard, just a "Note: Elementary OS does not support in-pla…

Yeah, the lack of a sane upgrade path really is a massive issue that should be labeled more clearly. (And a headline level bullet point in any written review of it.) The lack of a sane upgrade path completely undercuts their marketing message.

Re: Elementary OS 7

#64
I was once a elementary os user but once I realised the elementary model is stuck and there is no big changes since version 5.

If you look to active DE you see some commercial contributers e.g. GNOME from Red Hat and Cosmic from System76 (which started a way later) But as the founder see itself as a communist, I dont think, something will change (not to mention the moral ignorance of communist anyway). I liked the whole experience approach, "apple like", but now I use Gnome.

Re: Elementary OS 7

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post #53

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That does sound inconvenient, but is it so bad as to warrant three similar comments in the same short thread in the space of twenty minutes?

It's not just inconvenient, I've been personally burned by this issue and am livid that Elementary OS markets itself in this way without a warning. Imagine installing Elementary OS on a bunch of PCs for charity only to discover that those users are going to be completely insecure in 2 years because you weren't informed. You might never meet those people again, and who knows what will happen to them. It's reasonable t…

They’re not insecure they benefit from all the Ubuntu Lts security updates

Re: Elementary OS 7

#66
post #53

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Elementary OS is the pinnacle of a nice-looking OS with questionable technical decisions under-the-hood. The biggest one? No upgrades. You literally can't go from 5 to 6, or 6 to 7, without a full reinstall. There's not a terminal command for the adventurous either. That, to me, is extremely nasty. You have to take everything out of your computer, and put it back, every year to get the latest features and make sure y…

That does sound inconvenient, but is it so bad as to warrant three similar comments in the same short thread in the space of twenty minutes?

This is an odd critique. If it's an issue that someone cares about, they should be allowed to comment about it as long as it's within the guidelines.

There doesn't seem to be a guideline that defines the number of times someone can comment about a specific topic relative to the total number of comments within a specific amount of time.

Two of the three comments are also replies to someone who replied to the first, so it's not like the person is spamming the same message over and over again. People are allowed to have discussions.

Re: Elementary OS 7

#67
I liked elementary, but progress has slowed to a crawl since the two co-founders had a falling out [1]. Of course as outsiders we probably don't know everything but the other founder's (the one who left) offer to keep working on the project for free without payment sounded pretty good, and it's disappointing that Danielle Foré seemingly didn't accept it (Although I might be missing some things here, this is just what it sounded like to me). A shame, they really had something good going with the overall design and attention to detail! That being said, the changes in this release look cool and promising, hoping they can get back on track!

[1]https://news.itsfoss.com/elementary-co-founder-joins-endless...

Re: Elementary OS 7

#68

I don't agree with all of the design choices in Elementary OS, but I appreciate the sense of craft it has that largely vanished from mainstream software from 2012-2014 onward in favor of a dollar store version of IKEA minimalism. I hope it can continue to carry that torch until the industry finds its way back.

Elementary OS is the pinnacle of a nice-looking OS with questionable technical decisions under-the-hood. The biggest one? No upgrades. You literally can't go from 5 to 6, or 6 to 7, without a full reinstall. There's not a terminal command for the adventurous either. That, to me, is extremely nasty. You have to take everything out of your computer, and put it back, every year to get the latest features and make sure y…

I’m not sure that’s bad per se.. people should keep their OS separate from the data. Applications should be self-contained but the bigger issue would be app upgrades to run on the new OS.

Re: Elementary OS 7

#69
It's come to the point where the single deciding factor when I decide on which Linux distribution I select is whether it has decent support for fractional scaling. AFAIK, Pop! is the only one that almost gets it right.

Sad state for Linux on the desktop.

Re: Elementary OS 7

#70

> Sideloading apps and using alt stores like Flathub is a major feature of elementary OS and a competitive edge over closed platforms that only let you install apps from a locked down store. Unless elementary suddenly competes with iOS, I don’t know which platform they’re actually referring to, all while actually regressing the experience with Vista-style "are you sure" dialogs. Their dark pattern compelling you to "…

The sideloading dialogs are a bit extreme, I agree. But in general I don't see what's wrong with guiding users towards the "happy path" for package management. It's an opinionated system so it might not be everyone's thing but if it makes sense, sure, why not.

Regarding pricing, even if we say they're basically charging money for it, why is that bad? You get the thing under a free license which is still better than commercial proprietary software that doesn't share any of its revenue. And because they allow you to choose how much you pay you can always pay them less and donate to the Linux Foundation yourself (or any of the other underlying software projects that are taking donations). Granted, folks who are new to the Linux universe won't know about this stuff, so a default split would help.

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