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Justin Roiland dropped from Rick and Morty after domestic abuse charges

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Re: Justin Roiland dropped from Rick and Morty after domestic abuse charges

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Post by notch656c »

jjulius wrote: post #60
notch656c wrote: post #56

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Yes it ensures I will never watch the show again because I find their presumptuous morals repulsive. The aggregate effect I suppose will definitely have an effect on the brand. IMO they trashed their brand by sacking people before they were found guilty. God bless the right to bankrupt yourself to mete out preliminary justice, though.

>IMO they trashed their brand by sacking people before they were found guilty. To be fair, AS simply said they've ended their relationship with Roiland without saying why. Are you not also doing the same thing to AS here that you're accusing them of doing to Roiland (eg, making a proof-less accusation and terminating your relationship with the show because of it)?

>making a proof-less accusation and terminating your relationship with the show because of it)?

Lol publicly firing someone in what is obviously tied to criminal accusations is the same as not watching a show? That's like saying preferring to date latina women is the same thing as being racist in your hiring process.

Re: Justin Roiland dropped from Rick and Morty after domestic abuse charges

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Post by arp242 »

dTal wrote: post #40
spywaregorilla wrote: post #23

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I would say it's more a deconstruction of fiction, generally, rather than subversion of sitcoms. Most plots are decidedly non-sitcommy. I would also say Dan Harmon's previous work on Community is so filled to the brim with meta-analyses, parodies, homages, and self reflection that it's probably more him than Justin on the writing side. I'd ALSO say that I don't think Rick and Morty suggests Rick's behaviors or belief…

Super depressed and toxic and always right . He's shown as being that way because he understands the world better. The show might not praise him directly, but until the most recent seasons (where they appear to be trying to undo some damage) it consistently showed that he is a more effective person because of it. Another example of the subversion that reinforces this "truth = negativity" moral: (Spoilers) The episode…

A significant chunk of iconic comedy characters are horrible people. Basil Fawlty, Blackadder, David Brent, Malcolm Tucker, Homer Simpson, Hyacinth B̶u̶c̶k̶e̶t̶ Bouquet, etc. etc.

Some of these characters have redeemable aspects as well; Homer Simpson is a dedicated family man who clearly very much loves Marge and his kids; there are some scenes that are quite sweet. But he's not being very funny in those scenes, he's being funny when he's selfish, lazy, alcoholic, and generally just a jerk.

Even in comedies where the characters aren't jerks such as Brooklyn 99, many of the characters would still be horrible in actual real life. Can you imagine working with Jake?

Overall, I think it's a mistake to overthink comedic characters too much; sometimes something funny is just funny, and just because character X is horrible doesn't mean the creators are trying to send any sort of message. It's certainly a mistake to emulate these sort of characters or take life lessons from them.

This kind of reminds me of the video game debates. Yes, in video game X you go around shooting people to solve your problems, but in real life you don't. I think everyone understands that.

Rick reminds me of the Elves in Lord of the Rings. Tired, weary of life, sort of past caring; the curse of immortality. Rick has the curse of being nigh-omnipotent.

Re: Justin Roiland dropped from Rick and Morty after domestic abuse charges

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Post by giraffe_lady »

machina_ex_deus wrote: post #58
giraffe_lady wrote: post #27

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This isn't a punishment per se and I don't think it's particularly useful to try to roll it into more general complaints about cancel culture. People are complex yes, and everyone's life is composed of both good actions and bad ones, sure. But there are connections and pattern that emerge, specifically and for example domestic abuse is closely related to other forms of violence and abuse. This position is one of rela…

It's likely to make people around his position lose their job. If there were safety issues at work, like I said, I'm 100% in favor of kicking people out for the first transgression in work. If there wasn't, your argument is pointless. You're just ignoring reality for the convenience of your vengeful rightousness. Stop acting like you get some sick virtue points by enacting vengeance on bad people. Two wrongs don't ma…

You need to chill and stop extrapolating my values and worldview from a few sentences online. I'm a practicing christian so the concept of forgiveness is one of CENTRAL importance in my life and a daily practical and philosophical concern.

We all sin but not all sins are crimes do you get what I'm saying? Our reaction to the spiritual state of sinfulness is, needs to be, different from our reaction to the social transgression caused by it.

Forgiveness requires repentance, contrition, consequences. Forgiveness is not just letting something pass as if it didn't happen, though certainly sometimes it can be. Forgiveness also requires an active forgivER, which is not me in this case.

Roiland didn't do anything to me I have nothing to forgive. I am not god and cannot forgive him for his sins. This should be between him and the people he did harm, which is his specific victim here, but also the people around him depending on his stability and integrity in his professional role. Blowing up the employments of all those people with this transgression is part of its harm and something he needs to seek forgiveness for. But not from us.

Re: Justin Roiland dropped from Rick and Morty after domestic abuse charges

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Post by jjulius »

notch656c wrote: post #61
jjulius wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>IMO they trashed their brand by sacking people before they were found guilty. To be fair, AS simply said they've ended their relationship with Roiland without saying why. Are you not also doing the same thing to AS here that you're accusing them of doing to Roiland (eg, making a proof-less accusation and terminating your relationship with the show because of it)?

>making a proof-less accusation and terminating your relationship with the show because of it)? Lol publicly firing someone in what is obviously tied to criminal accusations is the same as not watching a show? That's like saying preferring to date latina women is the same thing as being racist in your hiring process.

>Lol publicly firing someone in what is obviously tied to criminal accusations is the same as not watching a show?

You can use the same reason to not take part in two things that might be wholly separate.

Re: Justin Roiland dropped from Rick and Morty after domestic abuse charges

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Post by notch656c »

jjulius wrote: post #64
notch656c wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>making a proof-less accusation and terminating your relationship with the show because of it)? Lol publicly firing someone in what is obviously tied to criminal accusations is the same as not watching a show? That's like saying preferring to date latina women is the same thing as being racist in your hiring process.

>Lol publicly firing someone in what is obviously tied to criminal accusations is the same as not watching a show? You can use the same reason to not take part in two things that might be wholly separate.

Let's say there is a freckled girl in front of me.

I could do all the following

1) See freckles

2) Find it attractive

3) Fire them

4) Convince others freckles are evil and all freckled people need executed

5) Not watch their show because I don't like freckles

Yeah the reasoning the same; I did it because the freckles. Therefore basically I did the same thing.

Brilliant jjulius. And this is all ignoring I'm not even making any criminal presumptions against Rick and Morty or my reputation in connection with associating with someone criminally charged. So really neither my reasoning nor the act is the same.

Re: Justin Roiland dropped from Rick and Morty after domestic abuse charges

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Post by [deleted] »

jjulius wrote: post #53
notch656c wrote: post #52

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The accuser is unknown and the accused is a smart guy with counsel. Which means from the employer viewpoint they know some person accused him and they get a generic response from the lawyer about not being able to comment about an ongoing case. The chance the employer has credible knowledge of guilt is extremely slim.

My "We don't know if, or of not, they are aware of anything else," comment clearly suggests that the reasons for terminating him may not be limited to this court case specifically. It's been covered in many articles that this sort of behavior from him has been an open secret for a bit. I don't claim to know whether or not that's true, I'm simply saying that none of us know exactly why AS did this, whether or not it w…

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Re: Justin Roiland dropped from Rick and Morty after domestic abuse charges

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Post by machina_ex_deus »

giraffe_lady wrote: post #63
machina_ex_deus wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's likely to make people around his position lose their job. If there were safety issues at work, like I said, I'm 100% in favor of kicking people out for the first transgression in work. If there wasn't, your argument is pointless. You're just ignoring reality for the convenience of your vengeful rightousness. Stop acting like you get some sick virtue points by enacting vengeance on bad people. Two wrongs don't ma…

You need to chill and stop extrapolating my values and worldview from a few sentences online. I'm a practicing christian so the concept of forgiveness is one of CENTRAL importance in my life and a daily practical and philosophical concern. We all sin but not all sins are crimes do you get what I'm saying? Our reaction to the spiritual state of sinfulness is, needs to be, different from our reaction to the social tran…

Then let him get what he deserves, as fits the crime. I'm not even talking about forgiveness. Justice isn't stopping bad people from doing good, it's stopping them from doing bad. Again I'm all in favor of him getting justice. Pay his victims. Go to jail or whatever it is that's the punishment for this. But this cancel culture isn't justice.

And of course he's not supposed to seek forgiveness from us, that's my point. He needs to be judged by a judge. Not me, neither adult swim. Definitely not this mob justice.

One of the major points of religions is to prevent mob justice. To be judged fairly in an intelligent process, with a fitting punishment.

How is firing him from his job a fitting punishment? There's no law for that because there shouldn't be. The justice system has as a principle the concept of minimizing the consequences of uninvolved parties.

There wouldn't be so much hunger for vengeance if people believed others will get what they deserve.

Re: Justin Roiland dropped from Rick and Morty after domestic abuse charges

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Post by notch656c »

Zetobal wrote: post #31
spywaregorilla wrote: post #25

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If someone says they're not informed on an issue, do you think they're eager to make thousand dollar bets one way or the other?

I am just an opportunistic user. He commented without being informed so maybe he will take a bet without being informed either.

I'm surprised there isn't a speculative crypto market on stuff like this with an oracle to courtlistener or something.

Re: Justin Roiland dropped from Rick and Morty after domestic abuse charges

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Post by machina_ex_deus »

armchairhacker wrote: post #57
machina_ex_deus wrote: post #8

I don't think he's replaceable. It's like house of cards without Kevin Spacey. Actually even worse, one of the best episodes was an episode completely voiced by Justin, of an entire society, and he managed to play so many different personalities of the same character. Never seen this level of voice acting. It was pretty obvious that he's got issues. Had a scene where a writer literally confesses that he has bad tende…

Ok, this is a very good take even though I disagree. The main issue is you can't have someone whose supposedly a sex offender, working with others and just ignore that he's a sex offender. Also, Rick and Morty is ultimately a piece of entertainment, and it's hard to be entertained if the guy writing jokes is allegedly gross and aggressive. And the allegations are still just allegations, but from what I'm hearing they…

sex offender?! Did I miss something? It says he's accused of domestic abuse, not sexual attacks. I've also saw messages suggesting he's very tactless and creepy, but I've seen nothing suggesting he's a threat to anyone around him.

Re: Justin Roiland dropped from Rick and Morty after domestic abuse charges

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Post by [deleted] »

notch656c wrote: post #65
jjulius wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Lol publicly firing someone in what is obviously tied to criminal accusations is the same as not watching a show? You can use the same reason to not take part in two things that might be wholly separate.

Let's say there is a freckled girl in front of me. I could do all the following 1) See freckles 2) Find it attractive 3) Fire them 4) Convince others freckles are evil and all freckled people need executed 5) Not watch their show because I don't like freckles Yeah the reasoning the same; I did it because the freckles. Therefore basically I did the same thing. Brilliant jjulius. And this is all ignoring I'm not even m…

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