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Re: Microsoft Azure Outage

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Post by shp0ngle »

paganel wrote: post #43
dustedcodes wrote: post #18

Azure is the most developer hostile cloud environment. I have zero sympathy for people being affected by this because if you voluntarily use Azure then this is what you deserve. Sorry for being so miserable, but Azure has given me soooo much grief over the last 10 years that I'm just completely done with this shitshow of a platform.

From what I can understand choosing Azure is almost always a top-down decision, especially when it comes to government entities/agencies (I live in Europe). MS has a hell of a sales network.

As I wrote above. Azure has much better compliance story, especially in smaller countries.

Re: Microsoft Azure Outage

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Post by bdcp »

dustedcodes wrote: post #18

Azure is the most developer hostile cloud environment. I have zero sympathy for people being affected by this because if you voluntarily use Azure then this is what you deserve. Sorry for being so miserable, but Azure has given me soooo much grief over the last 10 years that I'm just completely done with this shitshow of a platform.

That's just not true. If you know what your doing and using most of microsoft's stack (.NET, etc) it's often quite a breeze.

Re: Microsoft Azure Outage

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Post by alkonaut »

edf13 wrote: post #52
NKosmatos wrote: post #11

What's the point of having a status page if it doesn't indicate the issues? https://status.azure.com/en-us/status Azure, Teams, Outlook are almost down from Greece and Germany, and their status page shows that everything is fine :-)

It's updated now - updates for service outages at this level generally need signoff form someone higher up the chain

But shouldn't the individual service dots be automatically turning another color than green? I mean it's an automated service status page, right? Whether there is a human message at the top and that can take some time I understand.

Re: Microsoft Azure Outage

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Post by saghm »

edf13 wrote: post #52
NKosmatos wrote: post #11

What's the point of having a status page if it doesn't indicate the issues? https://status.azure.com/en-us/status Azure, Teams, Outlook are almost down from Greece and Germany, and their status page shows that everything is fine :-)

It's updated now - updates for service outages at this level generally need signoff form someone higher up the chain

Someone has to "approve" the status pages showing what's actually happening? From a customer perspective, it seems far worse to have status pages fail to reflect actual outages than to have them accidentally report an outage when there isn't one because no one really cares about what the status page says if they're not having issues. It's hard to see how the goal here could be anything other than trying to add plausible deniability for what would otherwise be obvious deception.

Re: Microsoft Azure Outage

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Post by laacz »

dsign wrote: post #34

This makes you wonder if some centralization patterns, i.e. Azure AD, are not a national security problem?

Critical infrastructure cannot be reliant on a cloud (or internet availability, if possible). In most EU countries that's a law.

Re: Microsoft Azure Outage

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Post by hardware2win »

hobo_mark wrote: post #60
hardware2win wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ive used gcp and ive been billed like 10% of minimal wage for setting GCPs demo with like 7 very simple microservices (i dont remember exactly) 4 times and every of them was running like 5 minutes after being deployed and then project was killed Shit is expensive as hell For the same money I could rent some weak linux box for a year Or something decent for a month Edit 10ms https://github.com/GoogleCloudPlatform/micr…

I have to wonder what you were doing, I've been continuously hosting my own projects there for years and with the free tier they cost pennies per month to run.

Ive linked the GCPs demo repo that Ive been messing with

Re: Microsoft Azure Outage

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Post by jug »

dustedcodes wrote: post #21
Tepix wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Works for me (not right now, but in general).

Of course, there's always someone who will say that -.- Did Windows ME and Windows Vista also work really great for you?

Windows ME did in fact work mostly fine here too, lol. Relatively speaking for Windows 9x performance, of course. I only used it for a year, not because I couldn't stand it but because such was the pace of major Windows updates back then.

Windows Vista was honestly worse for me, not due to bugs but for being two years ahead the curve of hardware, and GPU vendors seemingly rolling their thumbs during betas and once WDDM¹ went live, they panicked and rolled out alpha quality work. So many driver crashes compounded with the heavy RAM requirements... Other than that, and with less of an UAC nazi, I could see an OS that was similar to what Windows 7 became if I squinted. Hardware had caught up, drivers were mature, and on top Microsoft optimized its performance.

In hindsight, WDDM should've been an update to Windows XP that could be rolled out well in advance and let developers focus on a single thing rather than new OS compatibility on top, and deep changes like UAC.

¹ It was necessary work though: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Display_Driver_Model

Re: Microsoft Azure Outage

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Post by SkyPuncher »

NKosmatos wrote: post #11

What's the point of having a status page if it doesn't indicate the issues? https://status.azure.com/en-us/status Azure, Teams, Outlook are almost down from Greece and Germany, and their status page shows that everything is fine :-)

We've concluded that status pages are a complete joke.

Re: Microsoft Azure Outage

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Post by luckylion »

alkonaut wrote: post #63
edf13 wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's updated now - updates for service outages at this level generally need signoff form someone higher up the chain

But shouldn't the individual service dots be automatically turning another color than green? I mean it's an automated service status page, right? Whether there is a human message at the top and that can take some time I understand.

No, it's not automated. I'm sure the underlying tech is automated, but once companies grow beyond a certain size, it needs a human to say "show this status change to the world" because there are lots of things depending on it (e.g. SLAs, but also bonuses, I assume), so they don't want a potential bug in the status system to influence that.

It's weird how slow they are with manual sign-off though.

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