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Re: Official Warning: Zero3K

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Post by andrewflnr »

dspillett wrote: post #50
andrewflnr wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed, the "overheated discussions" factor probably downgrades (ed: rather, tends to downgrade) heavily-commented stories, not the other way around. I for one tend to regard a high upvote/comment ratio as a positive sign about a story.

Measures of “overheated discussion” probably can't distinguish easily between matters that are purely divisive and those that are genuinely complex/interesting/ground-breaking/surprising/etc (so deserving of that much of people's time). Whether punishing based on this measure for this reason is beneficial overall or not is a divisive discussion in its own right!

Not easily, no, but I think a very fast reply frequency, especially between lots of pairs of two people, is more indicative of heat than light. :) (who knows, maybe the algorithm will think that about this reply) Genuinely interesting topics probably require more time to write worthwhile comments on, and draw in more people.

(To be clear, I'm not implying nor do I think that HN uses raw comment-count as a signal of overheating, just expressing my surprise at the previous poster's surprise at seeing high-ranked stories with few comments, since the correlation should run the other way if at all.)

Re: Official Warning: Zero3K

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Post by actionfromafar »

WhiteBlueSkies wrote: post #60
actionfromafar wrote: post #47

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Have you? Bryan might want to have a word with you, soon.

BAAS, Bryan-as-a-service to nag you weekly to fix bugs. Could be a profitable idea. lol.

To be authentic, it would have to nag random people on the internet to fix your bugs. :)

Re: Official Warning: Zero3K

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Post by Waterluvian »

throwaway2214 wrote: post #53
Waterluvian wrote: post #51

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I don’t tolerate abusive people.

You probably are considered abusive to someone, you might not even know it.

I have absolutely been abusive at times growing up and probably in my professional life. I’ve been put in my place many times. And I learn and grow from that. I was not a perfect teenager and I’m definitely not a perfect adult.

I hope people wouldn’t tolerate it if I did it to them.

Re: Official Warning: Zero3K

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Post by dang »

WhiteBlueSkies wrote: post #57
Waterluvian wrote: post #27

There are some people that are so divergent from understanding and being able to perform or at least emulate normal social behaviour that they become harmful and problematic. I watched one, quite closely, develop through high school. I can still hear his smug “nah” any time you said something he didn’t agree with. Well, not “agree with” but “that he knew to be universally correct.” Ultimately he ended up unemployable…

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Hey please don't cross into personal attack in HN comments, even if another comment is wrong or you feel it is.

I appreciate that you're fundamentally making a plea for empathy, but putdowns/attacks are definitely not the right tool for the job, and are against the site guidelines in any case:

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Edit: looking through your comments, you've been breaking the site guidelines so badly that I've banned your account. Please don't create accounts to do that with. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future.

Re: Official Warning: Zero3K

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Post by qwertox »

bamboozled wrote: post #48

Going to be fun when these are bots that use ChatGPT to harass online communities (if this already isn't that).

Or the other way around, bots sucking the time and energy out of these people. Possibly even while others grabbed a bowl of popcorn.

Re: Official Warning: Zero3K

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Post by Waterluvian »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #55
Waterluvian wrote: post #27

There are some people that are so divergent from understanding and being able to perform or at least emulate normal social behaviour that they become harmful and problematic. I watched one, quite closely, develop through high school. I can still hear his smug “nah” any time you said something he didn’t agree with. Well, not “agree with” but “that he knew to be universally correct.” Ultimately he ended up unemployable…

> Asperger’s diagnosis This a real thing, mild forms are socially inhibiting, extreme forms can mean social skills are completely crippled. I feel sorry for these people (although I’m probably in the mild category), but I’m not sure what we could do to help without getting hurt ourselves? I just hope my kid is normal socially with a good sense of empathy.

It’s truly heartbreaking. The guy was one of my closest friends because we had a ton of hobbies in common. I loved when he would target fixate on some problem and his basement would turn into a mad scientist workshop. I remember him as “the person who would see through a ridiculous idea.”

But the abusive parts got worse and worse and became intolerable. I’m not sure what could have been done differently. Though as a teenager that was probably not my role to play.

Re: Official Warning: Zero3K

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Post by stkdump »

crypt0x wrote: post #45
trashburger wrote: post #12

It seems that every big project attracts that one persistent weirdo who comes by from time to time and posts silly stuff. I've noticed this pattern for a while now. I don't want to give names but I've at least seen some... bizarre issues on the LLVM tracker, for example.

While we are sharing eye rollers.. I had this person plonk into our issues once with a “revolutionary” encryption technique. I wish I could remember the concoction he described.. Now that I’m trying to find it, it seems they deleted the github account. Seems like he saw the light, or got banned. Either way SNR increased and I’m all for that.

There was a guy, Kryptochef, roaming german tech forums. Hard to tell if this was an extremely committed comedic troll or an insane guy. This was his website: https://web.archive.org/web/20140504165057/http://kryptochef...

It went down in 2014 and the guy vanished never to be heard of again.

Re: Official Warning: Zero3K

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Post by dspillett »

jiveturkey wrote: post #31

> Some devs were harassed > recommend to contact the local authorities Does this kind of behavior meet the bar for legal harassment? In California it seems not per https://www.courts.ca.gov/1258.htm?rdeLocaleAttr=en which requires a threat of violence to rise to the level of harassment. Does the post's recommendation rise to the level of legal advice? This all feels very childish to me.

A number of jurisdictions have legally codified definitions specifically for online harassment and this behaviour certainly counts in some of them.

I suspect that in most jurisdictions this behaviour could be of legal concern.

The other word they used, which I note you don't question, is stalking. This sort of behaviour is even more likely to infringed on laws (which may not exist, or are well enforced, in all jurisdictions but certainly do and are in some) intended to manage that more specific form of harassment.

Re: Official Warning: Zero3K

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Post by rahoulb »

menzoic wrote: post #52
TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #44

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That doesn't mean you need to suffer. Reality is harsh. Cutting out toxicity is required.

Agreed.

My friend was stabbed by a schizophrenic who lived in the flat opposite and believed that my friend was stalking him. Ten years later and my friend still has virtually no feeling in his hand as the nerves did not grow back correctly and he had to give up being a professional musician.

I know the guy didn't choose to be the way he was and I'm sure what was going through his mind was hell. But that doesn't mean that the rest of us should just live with the consequences of harmful actions.

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