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Re: House Republicans to vote on bill abolishing IRS, eliminating income tax

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There was a point where I would have held the charitable reading of Republican ideology and I still know some people who identify with the party who probably understand their own position this way. But at this point, no, I don't believe that's actually what's animating it. Selective election denialism is as nihilistic about local institutions as it is about national ones, while theories about state legislatures overr…

Republicans have mostly lost their ideological way it seems like. They seem to just be against anything the Democrats are for these days. The J6 response from the Republicans is the hallmark about power and politics in the party these days. Law and Order is fine long as it's only applied Biden's son or Hillary Clinton.

> They seem to just be against anything the Democrats are for these days.

This.

This was the problem with Democrats for a long time. They weren't for anything, they were just against Republicans. Republicans in government used to be well-educated and their main ideological thrust was based on a set of principles of limited government, free-market capitalism, and maximum agency of the governed. They fell short of this ideal, but the ideal was there.

Not any more. They're doing stupid symbolic things like this resolution to "get them Democrats" not to actually fix anything, and not as a matter of principle. Part of the problem is any conservative leaning person of any intelligence or reasonable level of education doesn't go into government, they go into business. We end up stuck with bozos like we have now.

This move to abolish the IRS is as much theater as the move to "abolish" daylight savings time in the U.S. which never goes beyond submission of a bill.

If they'd backed this with something like a flat tax, that would have been a bold move, even semi-realistic. But this is circus fare.

Re: House Republicans to vote on bill abolishing IRS, eliminating income tax

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If California were particularly terrible, it wouldn't be so damn popular, and most of its problems would go away. California does have some specific policy problems, but most of what it has are popular place problems. It also doesn't pass muster with my own lived experience. I've loved all of the 15 years I've spent in both Northern and Southern metro California, and I'd do it again.

California is popular because of its _climate_ and despite all of the batshit insane policies that have been legislated. I'm gradually approaching retirement age and looking for a place with better climate to retire to, but everywhere I've visited - including California - has a lot of negatives that outweigh the positives of where I currently live, which (by a lot of metrics) has some of the worst climate in the nati…

Climate is indeed one of the reasons it's popular. That's not even remotely a counterargument against the premise that most of the state's problems are primarily from popularity rather than policy.

And "batshit policy" shouldn't be taken seriously as a charge without serious specific policy criticisms.

Re: House Republicans to vote on bill abolishing IRS, eliminating income tax

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If California were particularly terrible, it wouldn't be so damn popular, and most of its problems would go away. California does have some specific policy problems, but most of what it has are popular place problems. It also doesn't pass muster with my own lived experience. I've loved all of the 15 years I've spent in both Northern and Southern metro California, and I'd do it again.

Thousands of Californians left this last year or two and moved to Idaho. This sparked a housing crisis here in Boise, Idaho. I would assume these are left and right of center folks looking for cheaper housing and a better life. At one point last year the median household income was $75k/year. The median house price was $525k or so. Basically this created the situation if you couldn't afford a house before the housing…

People complain of Californians moving here as well, driving up costs but nobody looks at the 385 vacant AirBNB's in a town of 45k (Cedar City, UT). If you had 385 homes open up for student or family housing the rental crisis would plummet and prices would drop to normal. If they go un-filled that means they need homeowners instead of renters and will be back on the market at lesser prices because demand will drop if airbnb is limited. There should be like a set quota of airbnb's per capita (1 per 1k maybe?, and a yearly license by random lottery to see who gets a license).

Re: House Republicans to vote on bill abolishing IRS, eliminating income tax

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I'm not following you. Are you saying we implement this alternative by removing income tax and replacing it with consumption tax, that corporations will run everything and only share holders get a say? I'm not sure what this tax issue has to do with the right to vote? Don't follow the fact that only billionaire feudalists are allowed to think their government isn't working well? Why can't ordinary citizens be unhappy…

No, I'm not talking about the IRS specifically, just the general "government doesn't work" sentiment. > Don't follow the fact that only billionaire feudalists are allowed to think their government isn't working well? Why can't ordinary citizens be unhappy? You can think a government isn't working well, but the solution is not "dismantle the government" (which would lead to corporate rule and kind of already has), it'…

You can't vote your way out of an oligarchy. You can destroy and replace it, or you can secede from it.

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> since the fundamental ideology is actually opposed to the idea of well-functioning social institutions with mutual accountability A charitable interpretation of Republican "fundamental ideology", as it were, would be that they prefer more well-functioning social institutions at lower levels of government, closer to the people those institutions are meant to serve. It would make sense than beyond just a publicity st…

A charitable interpretation of Republican "fundamental ideology", as it were, would be that they prefer more well-functioning social institutions at lower levels of government, closer to the people those institutions are meant to serve. But that's not what this does. This doesn't do anything to transition power away from the federal government. It just makes it impossible for the federal government to do its job. Tha…

> It just makes it impossible for the federal government to do its job.

Where do I sign up?

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A charitable interpretation of Republican "fundamental ideology", as it were, would be that they prefer more well-functioning social institutions at lower levels of government, closer to the people those institutions are meant to serve. But that's not what this does. This doesn't do anything to transition power away from the federal government. It just makes it impossible for the federal government to do its job. Tha…

> It just makes it impossible for the federal government to do its job. Where do I sign up?

If you guys are going to loose your federation then you are going to be less relevant in world stage.

Re: House Republicans to vote on bill abolishing IRS, eliminating income tax

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> since the fundamental ideology is actually opposed to the idea of well-functioning social institutions with mutual accountability A charitable interpretation of Republican "fundamental ideology", as it were, would be that they prefer more well-functioning social institutions at lower levels of government, closer to the people those institutions are meant to serve. It would make sense than beyond just a publicity st…

A charitable interpretation of Republican "fundamental ideology", as it were, would be that they prefer more well-functioning social institutions at lower levels of government, closer to the people those institutions are meant to serve. But that's not what this does. This doesn't do anything to transition power away from the federal government. It just makes it impossible for the federal government to do its job. Tha…

> instead of actually governing

And what do you suppose should be the priorities for the federal government? What needs actually governing that can't be better done at state and local levels at the moment?

Re: House Republicans to vote on bill abolishing IRS, eliminating income tax

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Regrettably taxes are kind of necessary within our system. I don't think abolishing the IRS is the solution, but I would certainly like to see it dramatically, cut down, and the tax code dramatically simplify. Get rid of all the loopholes and just set a flat tax for each income bracket.

Re: House Republicans to vote on bill abolishing IRS, eliminating income tax

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> It just makes it impossible for the federal government to do its job. Where do I sign up?

If you guys are going to loose your federation then you are going to be less relevant in world stage.

Most of the people I know and care about are within 10 miles of my house. I don't care about my town's relevance on the "world stage," whatever the heck that means to you.

Re: House Republicans to vote on bill abolishing IRS, eliminating income tax

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Republicans have mostly lost their ideological way it seems like. They seem to just be against anything the Democrats are for these days. The J6 response from the Republicans is the hallmark about power and politics in the party these days. Law and Order is fine long as it's only applied Biden's son or Hillary Clinton.

> They seem to just be against anything the Democrats are for these days. This. This was the problem with Democrats for a long time. They weren't for anything, they were just against Republicans. Republicans in government used to be well-educated and their main ideological thrust was based on a set of principles of limited government, free-market capitalism, and maximum agency of the governed. They fell short of this…

They would have and could have done it when they controlled the House, Senate, and Whitehouse 4 years ago. But they aren't seriously about getting things done, just optics.

Edit: When they controlled all three during the beginning of the previous President's time in office. Still waiting for infrastructure [week] to end and I'm still waiting to see what the Republicans ACA replacement will be... SMH

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