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Re: Seattle Public Schools sues TikTok, YouTube, Instagram over youth mental health

#61
School attendance is reliably associated with student suicide rate. We know it's causal because the association tracks random variations in the school year (snow days and make-up days, teacher strikes, differences in district calendars, etc). So forgive me if I believe their concern to be less than genuine.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/childrens-risk-of...

Re: Seattle Public Schools sues TikTok, YouTube, Instagram over youth mental health

#62
Seattle Public Schools has seen enrollment drop 30% (!!!) over the past couple years because it is an utter shambles [0]. (correction: many schools have that level of decline or higher, but the decline district-wide is much lower). Cancelling as many advanced classes as possible, without grandfathering, so (eg) my two sons were both forced to repeat a year of math when they cancellled year-up math. An administration that is roundly hated, by parent and teacher alike.

This feels like grasping in the dumbest possible way while ignoring the actual problem: if you bore the heck out of the kids, the ones who can afford to leave will. Also being bored 8 hours/day isn't good for mental health...

[0] https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/public-school-districts-exp...

Re: Seattle Public Schools sues TikTok, YouTube, Instagram over youth mental health

#63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Social media is a very dangerous and addictive drug that is difficult to police. It should be heavily regulated as it's destroying society. 100% agree, but > No grandstanding It's definitely grandstanding. Even though they're right about social media, it's definitely grandstanding. A cause being just doesn't mean people aren't grandstanding about it. This is grandstanding because it's a public stunt that is very un…

.. you've much to learn on the tenaciousness of a highly focused legal team - which is core to this lawsuit.

Well, I earnestly do wish you luck. I hope you prove me a pessimist.

Re: Seattle Public Schools sues TikTok, YouTube, Instagram over youth mental health

#64

.. as a Seattle dad .. I fucking love this awkward yet clearly precedent-setting case. I know most of the board and the majority of us are fed up and taking the power we have to task and accountability. This has been in the works for over four years and we know the end game: new laws, adopted by other cities and states. .. it’s been a clearly focused project for over 4 years now. One of my friends is on the board. I…

obvious enthusiasm for a legal action by multiple teams of people on salary for 4+ years, does not make it effective or have standing

Re: Seattle Public Schools sues TikTok, YouTube, Instagram over youth mental health

#65
Teenagers have changed. There are a load of interesting stats about what has changed.

From 1994 to now.

Percent with a driver's licence has gone from 84.7% to 72.7%, tried alcohol fro 81% to 66.1%, gone on dates from 83% to 58% and had a job from 71.7% to 55%

https://twitter.com/AlecStapp/status/1611500829441138688

Maybe less dates and less independence from adults is what is driving up depression. But it might be harder to sue parents.

Re: Seattle Public Schools sues TikTok, YouTube, Instagram over youth mental health

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post #61

School attendance is reliably associated with student suicide rate. We know it's causal because the association tracks random variations in the school year (snow days and make-up days, teacher strikes, differences in district calendars, etc). So forgive me if I believe their concern to be less than genuine. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/childrens-risk-of...

Attending school might increase the suicide rate, but education doubtlessly has more than enough upsides to offset that harm.

TikTok though? I don't think so. No upside of TikTok can compare to the upside of receiving an education.

Re: Seattle Public Schools sues TikTok, YouTube, Instagram over youth mental health

#68
post #37

Had any of this harm been physical, everybody would be cheering to combat it. But because it's mental, it's "not real", right? Behavioral scientists can plot any metric against the last decade and it spectacularly deviates from what came before it, in a bad way. A seismic shift. It's a problem. A massively complicated problem where regulation will be tricky. For the record, even Zuckerberg himself has practically beg…

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Re: Seattle Public Schools sues TikTok, YouTube, Instagram over youth mental health

#69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Literally this. You'd have to twist yourself into a legal pretzel to somehow claim that because teachers act in loco parentis for children in their care that now somehow their supervisors have power of attorney over their charges. This is one of those cases where the idiots involved deserve to get hit with a huge fine for filing a frivolous lawsuit. No, not the school district, but those involved. Personally.

It's an easy pretzel for teachers/school administrators to tie themselves into, because these people are on the frontline of witnessing the ways in which parents can neglect and abuse their kids. It's easy for teachers to fall into believing themselves / the state a better steward of children than their own parents.

I'm not sure if that is the case, but if it is, it is the educational equivalent of the police seeing everyone as a threat because they deal constantly with the law breakers of society.

Re: Seattle Public Schools sues TikTok, YouTube, Instagram over youth mental health

#70

This lawsuit is an embarrassment using a compilation of anti social media arguments including misleading ones where the truth is twisted to make an argument. >Meta also delays the time it takes to load the feed. “This is because without that three-second delay, Instagram wouldn’t feel variable.” This isn't a fact. They are literally quoting speculation from Vice while making it seem like an official quote from Meta.…

.. like I said above: ".. you've much to learn on the tenaciousness of a highly focused legal team - which is core to this lawsuit."

That doesn't change my opinion that they are either arguing in bad faith or they are incompetent in the argument they are making.
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