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Re: NY Sabotages Right to Repair Bill [video]

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Post by rychco »

reilly3000 wrote: post #49
nrp wrote: post #32

For folks wondering how the late changes to the bill happened, you can see who funded the lobby efforts here: https://reports.ethics.ny.gov/publicquery/AssociatedFilings/...

This is an awesome resource, but I'm left wondering how to interpret the data. For instance I see that Microsoft paid for a bunch of lobbying for a bunch of things, and it's clear they had 2 meetings with NY Senators and Executive staff about S 4104. What I don't see is what they were advocating for. Are they for or against it? Did they push some language that would benefit them in the long run? All I can see so far…

I think in this case it's fair to assume all the donors here are against right to repair.

Re: NY Sabotages Right to Repair Bill [video]

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Post by 58028641 »

zeroCalories wrote: post #56

This is really sad. I don't follow politics, but I didn't think this level of blatant corruption really existed in the US.

The Supreme Court has struck down most attempts to get rid of corruption. https://www.opensecrets.org/resources/learn/timeline

Re: NY Sabotages Right to Repair Bill [video]

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Post by meindnoch »

reilly3000 wrote: post #49
nrp wrote: post #32

For folks wondering how the late changes to the bill happened, you can see who funded the lobby efforts here: https://reports.ethics.ny.gov/publicquery/AssociatedFilings/...

This is an awesome resource, but I'm left wondering how to interpret the data. For instance I see that Microsoft paid for a bunch of lobbying for a bunch of things, and it's clear they had 2 meetings with NY Senators and Executive staff about S 4104. What I don't see is what they were advocating for. Are they for or against it? Did they push some language that would benefit them in the long run? All I can see so far…

Yes, my friend, we ought to give Microsoft the benefit of the doubt, since they gave us VSCode and GitHub. Why would they lobby for such an evil thing? Surely, this must be some grave misunderstanding!

Re: NY Sabotages Right to Repair Bill [video]

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Post by genocidicbunny »

smnrchrds wrote: post #44

I believe the analysis. Here in Canada, the government passed a law not that long ago (during the pandemic) to enshrine rights of passengers for delayed and cancelled flights, which included right to specific amounts of monetary compensation in those scenarios. The law, however, had an exception, where no compensation is due if the flight is delayed or cancelled due to a safety issue. Lo and behold, the airlines have…

They should make an addendum that any safety-related cancellations require a full inspection/re-certification of the aircraft that takes either a lot of time or a lot of money to go through. And any crew involved will be required to pass some sort of check flight or related process (at company cost of course.)

Make spurious 'safety' cancellations expensive, very expensive.

Re: NY Sabotages Right to Repair Bill [video]

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Post by jbsss »

rychco wrote: post #61
reilly3000 wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is an awesome resource, but I'm left wondering how to interpret the data. For instance I see that Microsoft paid for a bunch of lobbying for a bunch of things, and it's clear they had 2 meetings with NY Senators and Executive staff about S 4104. What I don't see is what they were advocating for. Are they for or against it? Did they push some language that would benefit them in the long run? All I can see so far…

I think in this case it's fair to assume all the donors here are against right to repair.

That’s a bad assumption. The “DIGITAL RIGHT TO REPAIR COALITION” and “ AGRIBUSINESS ASSOCIATION (NYS)“ were on that list. I’d find it hard to believe they were involved with neutering this bill.

I would still agree with you though, most of the orgs on that list were likely at the table attempting to ruin the bill.

Re: NY Sabotages Right to Repair Bill [video]

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Post by COGlory »

I don't understand. The bill was passed with an overwhelming, veto-proof majority. Then it sat on the Governor's desk until she made changes (after intense lobbying)? But the NY legislature is not in session, but the bill is signed? So how were the changes approved by the legislature? What is the precise legal mechanism here? Is this legal? My initial impression is that this is an illegal act of tyranny and should be met like that. The governor should be impeached.

Or, the very fundamentals of the American democratic system have been eroded to a point I previously did not comprehend. This is not anything like the picture Schoolhouse Rock painted about how this all works.

Also, with a veto-proof majority, why on earth would the legislature ever even agree to any changes?

Also also, fuck the governor.

Re: NY Sabotages Right to Repair Bill [video]

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Post by josephcsible »

genocidicbunny wrote: post #64
smnrchrds wrote: post #44

I believe the analysis. Here in Canada, the government passed a law not that long ago (during the pandemic) to enshrine rights of passengers for delayed and cancelled flights, which included right to specific amounts of monetary compensation in those scenarios. The law, however, had an exception, where no compensation is due if the flight is delayed or cancelled due to a safety issue. Lo and behold, the airlines have…

They should make an addendum that any safety-related cancellations require a full inspection/re-certification of the aircraft that takes either a lot of time or a lot of money to go through. And any crew involved will be required to pass some sort of check flight or related process (at company cost of course.) Make spurious 'safety' cancellations expensive, very expensive.

That would defeat the purpose. The point of the carveout is so that we don't accidentally incentivize the airlines to fly a flight that should be canceled for safety reasons, and this would do exactly that.

Re: NY Sabotages Right to Repair Bill [video]

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Post by causi »

smnrchrds wrote: post #44

I believe the analysis. Here in Canada, the government passed a law not that long ago (during the pandemic) to enshrine rights of passengers for delayed and cancelled flights, which included right to specific amounts of monetary compensation in those scenarios. The law, however, had an exception, where no compensation is due if the flight is delayed or cancelled due to a safety issue. Lo and behold, the airlines have…

The law, however, had an exception, where no compensation is due if the flight is delayed or cancelled due to a safety issue.

This makes no sense at all. If I order a pizza and it doesn't show up the reason it doesn't show up is completely irrelevant; they still owe me my money back.

Re: NY Sabotages Right to Repair Bill [video]

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Post by ammar2 »

causi wrote: post #68
smnrchrds wrote: post #44

I believe the analysis. Here in Canada, the government passed a law not that long ago (during the pandemic) to enshrine rights of passengers for delayed and cancelled flights, which included right to specific amounts of monetary compensation in those scenarios. The law, however, had an exception, where no compensation is due if the flight is delayed or cancelled due to a safety issue. Lo and behold, the airlines have…

The law, however, had an exception, where no compensation is due if the flight is delayed or cancelled due to a safety issue. This makes no sense at all. If I order a pizza and it doesn't show up the reason it doesn't show up is completely irrelevant; they still owe me my money back.

I think the reasoning would be to disincentivize airlines from potentially flying a plane that is unsafe to avoid paying out.

Re: NY Sabotages Right to Repair Bill [video]

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Post by nobody9999 »

fexecve wrote: post #45
95014_refugee wrote: post #42

For those of us that cannot stand listening to Louis babble on, is there a concise summary written somewhere?

The bill originally was going to make available to customers and independent service centers the same parts and manuals that manufacturer repair centers have. The governor edited the bill slightly in a way that makes it almost useless now. It was edited to say that manufacturers don't have to provide parts if they think that there's a safety issue. They can just make a "full assembly" available rather than individual…

I'd also note (assuming the local news I saw had it right), that the changes also only require manufacturers to provide such "assemblies" if and only if they are manufactured in New York state after June 1, 2023.

The news may have it wrong, but that's an oddly specific claim to wrongly make, IMHO.

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