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Amazon rescinding the offer while I am on the notice period

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Re: Amazon rescinding the offer while I am on the notice period

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Post by dangoor »

phpisthebest wrote: post #26
keneda7 wrote: post #9

In my experience if the company is amazons size yes it is like that. Smaller family run companies treat their employees/prospective employees much better in my experience. It is not always the case but I from my direct experience it has been. I am so sorry this has happened to you.

I somewhat agree, but I have had bad experiences at micro companies as well (companies under 75 employees) My experience the sweet spot is privately held corporations above 200 employees below 1000-2000 employees. Privately held is a key part, all publicly traded companies suck IMO

I think a lot of it depends on management, their views, and what they prioritize. I, too, have had really good experiences at orgs between 150 and 850 employees, but that may partly be due to not having been there during "belt tightening" times.

I've also had some good experiences at bigger companies, but the issues tend to be different.

Re: Amazon rescinding the offer while I am on the notice period

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Post by inezk »

iLoveOncall wrote: post #40
tyingq wrote: post #17

Rescinding an offer that's tied to a visa is just extra shitty, sorry this happened to you. Surely they know the consequences that you'll suffer. I wonder if the Amazon leadership chain that collectively decided to do this has any remorse. Edit: Feels like something that governments should tie to individual company's ability to use the visa program. Rescind a visa-tied offer (for no-fault-of-applicant reason), and we…

So what's the better option? Laying off someone already employed instead? It's not extra shitty, it's just as shitty as any other situation. It sucks for the person involved but the alternatives are not better. At least someone that got their offer rescinded can sue for promissory estoppel.

It's Amazon, it's not a startup.

Re: Amazon rescinding the offer while I am on the notice period

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Post by NeverFade »

Firmwarrior wrote: post #33
chrisgd wrote: post #28

Go scorched earth. Email Bezos, Jaffy, etc. tell them the situation and ask for additional compensation.

I don't think that's going to accomplish more than this HN post on Christmas, honestly Jassy knows how easy it is for engineers who passed the Amazon bar to find new jobs. He's going to think "Welcome to The Jungle, kid" and move on If you ask me. OP dodged a bullet here. Amazon has turned into a toxic swamp

You're writing this as if Bezos / Jaffy or anyone at their level is even going to read some random person's angry email.

Re: Amazon rescinding the offer while I am on the notice period

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Post by gbear0 »

Has anyone tried to add special clauses to their initial contract along the lines of: "If the offer is rescinded before the start date, the applicant will be awarded 3 months salary. If the applicant is fired within 3 months of the start date, the applicant will be awarded relocation fees to previous location." And you'd update that based on costs of moving, or possibly the state of the economy and your risk tolerance. If they don't agree to that, then they clearly aren't serious about hiring you, and you dodge a bullet.

This would hopefully reduce cases where they hand out multiple offers for a single job, or at least compensate applicants due to a change from management.

Re: Amazon rescinding the offer while I am on the notice period

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Post by prng2021 »

iLoveOncall wrote: post #40
tyingq wrote: post #17

Rescinding an offer that's tied to a visa is just extra shitty, sorry this happened to you. Surely they know the consequences that you'll suffer. I wonder if the Amazon leadership chain that collectively decided to do this has any remorse. Edit: Feels like something that governments should tie to individual company's ability to use the visa program. Rescind a visa-tied offer (for no-fault-of-applicant reason), and we…

So what's the better option? Laying off someone already employed instead? It's not extra shitty, it's just as shitty as any other situation. It sucks for the person involved but the alternatives are not better. At least someone that got their offer rescinded can sue for promissory estoppel.

The better option would have been to hire him. How is that not obvious?

Amazon as a multi-national, multi-billion dollar company can absorb the expense of employing him. I’m the worst case, they can lay off an existing low performing employee to compensate.

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Post by scarface74 »

Just a general rant:

It didn’t become apparent to me how much this environment sucks for people here on H1B until I asked on HN why would anyone put up with the shit show that Twitter has become and they said a large contingent may be H1B holders.

My general advice to always have a “go to hell fund” is null and void if no matter how much money you have in the bank, you only have a limited amount of time to get another job.

Re: Amazon rescinding the offer while I am on the notice period

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Post by YuryVladkov »

zszugyi wrote: post #51
mmoustafa wrote: post #14

Very sorry to hear. The good news is there’s plenty of options to secure your immigration status while figuring out next steps. USCIS released (somewhat relaxed) guidance on the current environment for non-citizen workers. You can find a list here https://twitter.com/debarghya_das/status/1605392365325205506... In summary, all the “gray zone” escape hatches like the 2 month grace period or the B-2 status change are co…

OP's offer was in Canada and is currently in the EU, I don't think any of the USCIS policies apply to them.

Sorry it is my bad that I was not being clear and forgot to add the location. Thanks for all the helps tho.

Re: Amazon rescinding the offer while I am on the notice period

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Post by iLoveOncall »

woodruffw wrote: post #55
iLoveOncall wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So what's the better option? Laying off someone already employed instead? It's not extra shitty, it's just as shitty as any other situation. It sucks for the person involved but the alternatives are not better. At least someone that got their offer rescinded can sue for promissory estoppel.

Perhaps it's not a zero-sum game, and nobody needs to be immediately laid off.

Thousands have already been in November and more are planned in Q1. Rescinding offers is honestly awful but it's by far the best solution if they want to reduce head count.

Re: Amazon rescinding the offer while I am on the notice period

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Post by tyingq »

iLoveOncall wrote: post #40
tyingq wrote: post #17

Rescinding an offer that's tied to a visa is just extra shitty, sorry this happened to you. Surely they know the consequences that you'll suffer. I wonder if the Amazon leadership chain that collectively decided to do this has any remorse. Edit: Feels like something that governments should tie to individual company's ability to use the visa program. Rescind a visa-tied offer (for no-fault-of-applicant reason), and we…

So what's the better option? Laying off someone already employed instead? It's not extra shitty, it's just as shitty as any other situation. It sucks for the person involved but the alternatives are not better. At least someone that got their offer rescinded can sue for promissory estoppel.

A company uses the visa program typically under the reasoning "we need this kind of worker so bad that we can't hire locally". So, if they are rescinding an offer, it's hard to support the original premise.

Also, "extra shitty" seems obvious to me. You're not only not hired, you likely have to leave the country. The company rescinding the offer knows this.

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Post by hikingsimulator »

loloquwowndueo wrote: post #48
hikingsimulator wrote: post #6

Sadly, that's the US for you. The corporate world can be a horror show and sympathetic HR is an oxymoron. I hope you can get yourself out of this bind. Still try to enjoy your Christmas if possible.

He did say Canada.

My bad assuming the USA. Though at-will firing does not exist in Canada, the way the labor market is handled is very much the same. The spirit of my comment still stand.
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