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Re: Threeuk is blocking Tutanota

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Post by kar1181 »

mwagstaff wrote: post #8

Slightly off topic, but I was with Three UK for a while. Reception was universally terrible, and trying to use mobile data was a joke. This was in a small urban centre... called London. Would never, ever touch them again. Back on topic, it seems that they are not using Bluecoat/Symantec Site review (which I suspect other providers do), which has the domain categorised correctly: https://sitereview.bluecoat.com/#/look…

There was a period about 7 years ago where they were fantastic, their 3G/4G network wasn't too bad unless you were out in the sticks, and they were CHEAP, about 13£ for 200 mins/200 texts _unlimited_ data. And the kicker was pretty much unrestricted high speed roaming.

Have since moved over to EE which is better performing and better coverage but much pricier. 3 sadly will fall over in the next couple years I would bet.

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Post by eptcyka »

In my personal experience, I bought a Three SIM card for some testing, and in about a month after not using the SIM for anything besides calling one of my own numbers I started receiving marketing calls. The marketer was upfront about how Three will give out your number to advertisers.

The only redeeming quality they have is their US data plan.

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Post by darrenf »

mrtksn wrote: post #38
mwagstaff wrote: post #8

Slightly off topic, but I was with Three UK for a while. Reception was universally terrible, and trying to use mobile data was a joke. This was in a small urban centre... called London. Would never, ever touch them again. Back on topic, it seems that they are not using Bluecoat/Symantec Site review (which I suspect other providers do), which has the domain categorised correctly: https://sitereview.bluecoat.com/#/look…

I actually like Three but it was impossible to use data at the rush hour in central London. I don't know what's the current situation but that was my main frustration with Three. Also, I'm disappointed that they ended Roam like home despite having universal(?) roaming before EU made all the carriers do it.

They renamed it to "Go Roam" and if you've been with them since before October 2021 it's still free in 71 countries (otherwise it's pretty steep): https://www.three.co.uk/go-roam

"If you’re on Pay As You Go, or your Pay Monthly plan started before 1 October 2021, these charges won’t apply."

(I'm a happy Three customer since 2011, can't recall significant signal woes in London while I lived there and have reliable, fast 5G out in the sticks now)

Re: Threeuk is blocking Tutanota

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Post by ohbtvz »

mattcurious wrote: post #58
Nextgrid wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Generally no. Roaming data sessions are tunnelled back to the host provider.

I’ve seen this on IP lookups I’ve done when roaming - surely this is a bad idea for latency? What’s the motivation? Why would they cripple performance further by proxying to an endpoint that could be half away around the world.

This is especially infuriating as a European visiting the US, where a bunch of services are geo-fenced to American IPs. In several towns, I couldn't pay for parking or buy a bus ticket because the online service is geo-fenced and there's no brick-and-mortar alternative anymore. They also restrict apps in the play store or whatever to US accounts. I had to buy a cheap SIM card to get around all that. It's insane.

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Post by kitd »

geraldwhen wrote: post #51
EdwardDiego wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And the nanny fetish, although that seems to be rather particular to a certain class of people in the UK. That said, full credit on the nanny dog, Staffordshire bull terriers are amazing with children.

They’re certainly good at silencing children permanently.

Not Staffs. You may be thinking of pitbulls.

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Post by verisimi »

dncornholio wrote: post #52

Why is nobody giving slack to the horrible UK laws but instead go on how bad ThreeUK is. This is a prime example why traffic filtering breaks the internet and causes unfair advantage.

Yes - why create laws that mandate you giving your details to access the site? Porn or whatever is just a justification. This is just another attack on privacy.

You can call it it a nanny state if you like - but what this is really about, is the loss of anonymity online. How long will it be that you are forced to id yourself to get online. I see this as a small step to that end.

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Post by flurdy »

mwagstaff wrote: post #8

Slightly off topic, but I was with Three UK for a while. Reception was universally terrible, and trying to use mobile data was a joke. This was in a small urban centre... called London. Would never, ever touch them again. Back on topic, it seems that they are not using Bluecoat/Symantec Site review (which I suspect other providers do), which has the domain categorised correctly: https://sitereview.bluecoat.com/#/look…

I did use Three for a while as a Mifi device at home and on the train when we moved back to the UK after we had our first baby back in 2011. As new clueless parents (who thought we were prepared but god no) I spent a lot of time researching English and Norwegian sites on breastfeeding and other baby matters.

And so many sites was blocked by Three. So frustrating when these were big mainstream baby and health sites but not necessarily in English.

Reception wise they were no worse than others, they all have big black spots in rural areas.

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Post by jonathantf2 »

mattcurious wrote: post #58
Nextgrid wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Generally no. Roaming data sessions are tunnelled back to the host provider.

I’ve seen this on IP lookups I’ve done when roaming - surely this is a bad idea for latency? What’s the motivation? Why would they cripple performance further by proxying to an endpoint that could be half away around the world.

It's absolutely horrible - I was in California a few months ago and all my traffic was being sent back to the UK - 300ms ping and about 1mbps each way.

Re: Threeuk is blocking Tutanota

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Post by [deleted] »

kar1181 wrote: post #61
mwagstaff wrote: post #8

Slightly off topic, but I was with Three UK for a while. Reception was universally terrible, and trying to use mobile data was a joke. This was in a small urban centre... called London. Would never, ever touch them again. Back on topic, it seems that they are not using Bluecoat/Symantec Site review (which I suspect other providers do), which has the domain categorised correctly: https://sitereview.bluecoat.com/#/look…

There was a period about 7 years ago where they were fantastic, their 3G/4G network wasn't too bad unless you were out in the sticks, and they were CHEAP, about 13£ for 200 mins/200 texts _unlimited_ data. And the kicker was pretty much unrestricted high speed roaming. Have since moved over to EE which is better performing and better coverage but much pricier. 3 sadly will fall over in the next couple years I would b…

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Re: Threeuk is blocking Tutanota

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Post by tomxor »

mwagstaff wrote: post #8

Slightly off topic, but I was with Three UK for a while. Reception was universally terrible, and trying to use mobile data was a joke. This was in a small urban centre... called London. Would never, ever touch them again. Back on topic, it seems that they are not using Bluecoat/Symantec Site review (which I suspect other providers do), which has the domain categorised correctly: https://sitereview.bluecoat.com/#/look…

> trying to use mobile data was a joke. [...] This was in a small urban centre... called London

In any significantly built up area 4G is mostly a dice roll among the 3 major UK providers. There will be little consistency when moving between locations and even the same location will change over time.

This is because the radio bands used in 4G are now so saturated that you are aiming for the _least_ popular provider in your current location (different providers are allocated different bands). It doesn't matter how many towers they have or how good your reception is when all the users are limited to such small (radio) bandwidths in the same area, when there are too many users, you effectively have to wait your turn to "speak". This is the main selling point of 5G IMO: not the higher theoretical maximum throughput; but the real world better average throughput even in busy areas due to less user contention because there is so much radio bandwidth available that the major factor in getting reasonable throughput should be equipment, reception and backhaul rather than unpopularity.

This is actually how EE maintain higher than average throughput on their 4G networks AFAICT, because they are priced far higher than their competitors, keeping their user numbers lower... a strategy that may not continue to compete well within the 5G spectrum. Speaking of which, stay away from EE if you care about your sanity.

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