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Re: Ron Paul speaks against SOPA

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Post by davidw »

x3c wrote: post #59
davidw wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"sanity" being "what you agree with". That's why we should flag political articles and leave them to other sites.

(Disclaimer: I'm not from US). That's why we should flag political articles and leave them to other sites. Except that at other sites, politics equals name callings and rhetoric. I understand that that is the primary reason you want politics to stay out of HN. But if all scientists, techies and reasonable people stay out of politics and common people are distracted by media, how can we expect things to change? If rea…

I don't understand how you can equate keeping politics off of this site to not being involved in politics.

Re: Ron Paul speaks against SOPA

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Post by rosariom »

davidw wrote: post #45
rosariom wrote: post #39

Ron Paul message resonates with people because he is talking about something none of the other candidates are talking about: returning freedoms and sanity to America. It would be hard to rollback all the damage done by the likes of Obama and his predecessors but I think it can be achieved gradually and with some culture changes in America. This is a great country and I hope to see its freedoms preserved and reinstate…

"sanity" being "what you agree with". That's why we should flag political articles and leave them to other sites.

when I said sanity maybe I should have been more clear: political sanity against tyrannical crap like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Defense_Authorization_... .. this bill silently passed without any substantial media coverage and grants the president unprecedented powers the kings of old would envy.. I know no politician or anyone for that matter is "perfect" (really no such thing exists) but I like a lot of what he is saying not everything. I would leave it at that to avoid any diatribe that may arise on HN over political discussions.

Maybe this should be a tech-only forum to avoid getting people charged up and polarized.

Re: Ron Paul speaks against SOPA

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Post by aik »

j2labs wrote: post #62

The economist has a great write-up of Ron Paul: http://www.economist.com/node/21542199/

Thanks for posting. A question about this statement from the article:

>> But [Ron Paul] coming this far tells you something about the mood of Republican voters.

Don't you think it's a bit limiting to single out republican voters? I am fairly convinced that there are a significant amount of voters on all sides that support Ron Paul. I have also come to believe that specifically many republicans are against him, largely due to the anti-Ron Paul right-wing media influence. Thoughts?

Re: Ron Paul speaks against SOPA

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Post by espeed »

cheez wrote: post #46
llambda wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most worrisome is that while these issues have come to light, in my /very/ limited experience, attempting to broach the issue with Paul supporters has been met with at best dismal and at worst outright irrational anger. In fact I've now been told a number of times that such quotations are falsified, that they've been planted by Paul's detractors. The implication seems to be they're suggesting this is the manifestatio…

There is a conspiracy against Paul. I'm not American and I've followed Paul since 2008. The media definitely conspires against him. Jon Stewart even called them out on it. Google it.

Here it is...

Daily Show: Indecision 2012 - Corn Polled Edition - Ron Paul & the Top Tier

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-august-15-2011/indecis...

Quora: How are MSNBC, CNN, and Fox News so united in their snubbing of Ron Paul?

http://www.quora.com/How-are-MSNBC-CNN-and-Fox-News-so-unite...

Re: Ron Paul speaks against SOPA

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Post by jaysonelliot »

I could come up with a list of things that I don't like about Ron Paul personally, and a few things that worry me politically.

But none of that really matters.

He's the only candidate that I feel I could actually trust to stick by his campaign rhetoric, and the only one I would trust to actually defend the constitution.

Ironic, given that we have a constitutional scholar in the White House and a historian running for the GOP nomination.

Ron Paul is wrong on some things I care about, but so is Obama, and certainly so is Newt or Romney. I think I'll vote for the lesser of a dozen evils, and go with Paul.

Re: Ron Paul speaks against SOPA

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Post by davidw »

rosariom wrote: post #63
davidw wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"sanity" being "what you agree with". That's why we should flag political articles and leave them to other sites.

when I said sanity maybe I should have been more clear: political sanity against tyrannical crap like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Defense_Authorization_... .. this bill silently passed without any substantial media coverage and grants the president unprecedented powers the kings of old would envy.. I know no politician or anyone for that matter is "perfect" (really no such thing exists) but I like a l…

> Maybe this should be a tech-only forum to avoid getting people charged up and polarized.

Well, technically, it is supposed to be limited to tech, startups, and 'things hackers might find interesting'. Politics is generally considered off topic. SOPA is directly relevant to many of us, so it's gotten a pass, but this discussion doesn't seem to be much about SOPA, but about Ron Paul.

Re: Ron Paul speaks against SOPA

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Post by jaysonelliot »

brentashley wrote: post #58

I have to say it's jarring to hear Ron Paul referring to "6000 years of human history" as though that is the totality of human history. While I still support him fully because everything he has to say wrt government and foreign policy is sound and principled, it's really difficult for me to reconcile this one thing.

Isn't that about how much written history we have?

I don't think he's being a creationist here, at least, that's not how I read it.

Re: Ron Paul speaks against SOPA

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Post by x3c »

davidw wrote: post #61
x3c wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(Disclaimer: I'm not from US). That's why we should flag political articles and leave them to other sites. Except that at other sites, politics equals name callings and rhetoric. I understand that that is the primary reason you want politics to stay out of HN. But if all scientists, techies and reasonable people stay out of politics and common people are distracted by media, how can we expect things to change? If rea…

I don't understand how you can equate keeping politics off of this site to not being involved in politics.

I'm not. I'm saying signal to noise ratio of political discussions on political sites is so low that any rational discussion drowns out in the noise. Plus, most political sites have a clear and strong bias, such that opposing ideas are rarely discussed based on their merits.

Also, many techies who otherwise would not engage in political discussions (due to aforementioned reasons), can bounce off ideas here. I'm not claiming that HN becomes a political discussion forum, I'm saying downvoting legitimate political discussions for being political is taking it too far.

[Edit: missed a word and it bothered me enough to edit the post.]

Re: Ron Paul speaks against SOPA

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Post by davidw »

x3c wrote: post #69
davidw wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand how you can equate keeping politics off of this site to not being involved in politics.

I'm not. I'm saying signal to noise ratio of political discussions on political sites is so low that any rational discussion drowns out in the noise. Plus, most political sites have a clear and strong bias, such that opposing ideas are rarely discussed based on their merits. Also, many techies who otherwise would not engage in political discussions (due to aforementioned reasons), can bounce off ideas here. I'm not c…

> I'm saying signal to noise ratio of political discussions on political sites so low that any rational discussion drowns out in the noise.

And you'd like to bring that here?

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