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Well I guess they need to do later seasons good in that case. Westworld season 2 was a joke. From a drama in S1 to mindless b-action in S2.

I’d disagree that S2 is where the show went wrong. It holds up quite well on rewatch, with probably 3-4 of the best overall episodes. Ironically, I think Nolan & Joy made the same kind of mistake Dr. Ford criticizes in the premiere: They forgot why people wanted to watch Westworld . Fundamentally, the show was about the park, with all its mystery and detail. They seemed to think it was actually about the ideas around…

> the ideas around AI, consciousness & free will they wanted to explore

I haven't seen S2, but with that description, and as an avid fan of the various incarnations of Ghost in the Shell, I want to see S2 to see how they explore those concepts.

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And this is why I unsubscribed. You can’t sell me Westworld, and then, after I’ve subscribed, take Westworld away so you can license it to some other revenue stream. I’m not paying for some percentage of HBO.

Westworld was cancelled without an ending as were some of the other shows on this list like Vinyl which was cancelled after 1 season. Personally I liked both shows at times but I kind of get why you'd not want to steer viewers to dead end shows.

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I am a pretty loyal HBO max customer, despite the troubles with the service. The content is just too good. I thought this would be about B-tier content. But Westworld? Arguably HBOs biggest hit since game of thrones? What are the MBAs looking at? It was bad enough that Westworld was not in 4K. Now that the White Lotus is over, maybe i should cancel

I was gonna watch west world the other day but found out it’s cancelled? :(

Westworld is a uniquely terrible show. HBO is doing you a favor by removing it.

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I’d disagree that S2 is where the show went wrong. It holds up quite well on rewatch, with probably 3-4 of the best overall episodes. Ironically, I think Nolan & Joy made the same kind of mistake Dr. Ford criticizes in the premiere: They forgot why people wanted to watch Westworld . Fundamentally, the show was about the park, with all its mystery and detail. They seemed to think it was actually about the ideas around…

> the ideas around AI, consciousness & free will they wanted to explore I haven't seen S2, but with that description, and as an avid fan of the various incarnations of Ghost in the Shell, I want to see S2 to see how they explore those concepts.

Poorly.

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Some people buy (rent?) videos and books, then download a DRM free copy from bittorrent.

Buying a legit copy doesn't make it legal to download a pirated/illegal copy, any more than buying a band's CD makes it legal to sneak into their concert without a ticket.

I don't think that analogy holds. If I buy the CD and rip it myself end up with MP3s. If I buy the CD and download a torrent of it, I end up with MP3s. If I buy a ticket and bring my tape recorder into their concert, I can listen to my recording of that concert forever.

Re: TV disappears, but HBO Max removing shows feels different

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Apparently some of these series are going to be re-licensed to ad-supported networks. [1] I don't think this undermines the premise of this article, that the current crop of streaming execs are moving TV backward to a more ephemeral medium. It's gonna be essential for independent archivists to preserve assets that are being discarded. [1] https://www.polygon.com/23513277/westworld-hbo-where-to-stre...

Yeah, that doesn't make me feel any better. Generally I have zero interest in watching quality shows with interruptions by ads, but on streaming networks they're especially bad. It's not like they bother putting them in at scene changes, they just jam them in anywhere.

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post #43

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Some people buy (rent?) videos and books, then download a DRM free copy from bittorrent.

Buying a legit copy doesn't make it legal to download a pirated/illegal copy, any more than buying a band's CD makes it legal to sneak into their concert without a ticket.

That’s a false equivalency, the first takes nothing extra from the purveyor, the second takes significant revenue directly from the artist.

Re: TV disappears, but HBO Max removing shows feels different

#69
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I really don't understand why people are surprised. If you don't have access to the file itself, you don't own it. "Buying" a movie on a platform or paying for a subscription service are both just paying for a revokable license to access a movie. You do not own it and access can be revoked at any time according to whatever platform's ToS. If you want to own an actual copy of a TV show or movie, buy the physical disc.…

> If you want to own an actual copy of a TV show or movie, buy the physical disc. For the vast majority of new TV shows, that option simply doesn’t exist anymore. It’s been that way for a couple of years now. You can only hope to find a torrent in good enough quality.

Just checked, you can get all of Westworld on BluRay.

Re: TV disappears, but HBO Max removing shows feels different

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post #48

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Well, a subscription service is literally a subscription access, of course. If you buy an iTunes movie and keep the downloaded file (there is a single file), it works so long as you retain an iTunes account (it is DRM protected, that DRM is account-specific, NOT media-specific)

Apple has removed movies from accounts many times before ( https://www.extremetech.com/internet/276982-apple-is-deletin... ). As with HBO Max, it's entirely up to the producer's discretion

What you linked to does not affect what I described. It only affects ability to redownload the file. If you still have the movie, it keeps working.

Originally, one couldn't even re-download a movie after purchase.

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