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Re: R/ElonJetTracker

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Post by sofixa »

lopatin wrote: post #50

Could Musk successfully make the case that, despite this technically being public information, curating it in such a way to track him personally constitutes harassment?

I don't really see this flying in front of a court. This information is easily accessible publicly literally one search to get the aircraft registration number and a second one on Flightradar24 or any of the other sites/apps to see where it is. It's not "technically public" as onsite paper records at your mayor's office, it's widely accessible online public.

Re: R/ElonJetTracker

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Post by altacc »

karpour wrote: post #37
Jamie9912 wrote: post #10

Quoted post unavailable.

The rest of the world thinks in more complex terms than "the left" and "the right".

I think the spectrum exists most places but it’s a minority of countries where there is such a strong divide and intentional polarisation between only 2 political choices, with those in the relative middle having to choose the lesser evil due to lack of other choice.

In many other countries the political parties lie in different areas of the spectrum, with the US’s “left” still quite right leaning compared to many other countries. Where there are more political parties with influence it is more likely that politicians will seek to bridge divides to bring over supporters, rather than just polarise their current supporters to vote more. There are countries where left leaning communities will swing to the right if convinced to do so. But they are still left and right and if you compare the fringe parties I think you’ll often find the same polarisation and combativeness, just less so as it doesn’t win the middle. Basically the more the middle is in play, the less polarised the political parties tend to be (obviously with exceptions).

Re: R/ElonJetTracker

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Post by 01acheru »

Would it be fair game if Elon's name was removed? If it simply was "Tail #N628TS tracker", could Elon complain about it?

It seems that all flight data of a tail number is public, but the owner of said plane is private information. Is it correct?

Re: R/ElonJetTracker

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Post by altacc »

Hmmm, at this rate we’re going to have to create Elon News ;)

I think it’s interesting to see somebody who thought content moderation was a simple problem realise that content moderation is actually an incredibly difficult and, in some ways, unsolvable problem. However it risks becoming a dominant conversation when there are plenty of other good conversations to have.

Re: R/ElonJetTracker

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Post by ArchitectAnon »

superjan wrote: post #36

Wouldn’t a 24 hour delay be enough to satisfy the curious about Elon’s flying habits, without creating a possible security risk? I don’t know how real the risk is, but it is certainly not zero, as he is a controversial public figure.

ADS-B information is broadcast unencrypted in real time from every civilian aircraft all the time. Anyone can receive this information with easily available equipment and tell everyone about it on a website. I don’t think it’s technically possible to censor this information. If you’re worried about someone shooting you down or whatever then you’re going to have to find a different way to counter this. Maybe fit countermeasures or buy another two planes and keep people guessing which one you are on. But it seems overly paranoid TBH.

Re: R/ElonJetTracker

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Post by hulitu »

altacc wrote: post #64

Hmmm, at this rate we’re going to have to create Elon News ;) I think it’s interesting to see somebody who thought content moderation was a simple problem realise that content moderation is actually an incredibly difficult and, in some ways, unsolvable problem. However it risks becoming a dominant conversation when there are plenty of other good conversations to have.

> Hmmm, at this rate we’re going to have to create Elon News ;)

Some people cannot sleep at night withour looking in other's people shit.

Re: R/ElonJetTracker

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Post by nerdawson »

_Algernon_ wrote: post #47
hk__2 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not exactly: https://mobile.twitter.com/DavidSacks/status/160385752457453... What’s public is how each plane moves. What’s not is which one of these planes is Musk’s.

>hack This is not "hacking". This is information derived from publicly available information, presumably a quite trivial inference. If it is public information that x=2 and y=3, then x+y=5 isn't suddenly private information, just because it requires a trivial inference.

Photos taken on phones often contain GPS data. If someone publicly shares a photo they’ve taken and the data isn’t scrubbed, it’s trivial to find out where the photo was taken.

Just because it’s easy to uncover doesn’t mean it’s fine to go off and broadcast it. That’s doxxing.

Re: R/ElonJetTracker

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Post by throw0101c »

altacc wrote: post #49
Jamie9912 wrote: post #10

Quoted post unavailable.

I’m not sure I qualify as a spokesperson for the entire “left” ;) It seems a lot of people are pointing out the massive amounts of hypocrisy Elon is displaying, as well as how fickle & fragile the concept of free speech is when it comes up against the personal opinions of a billionaire. Plus a democratic vote, which is definitely not what a Twitter poll is, controlling speech is exactly the thing that many on the (if…

> It seems a lot of people are pointing out the massive amounts of hypocrisy Elon is displaying, as well as how fickle & fragile the concept of free speech is when it comes up against the personal opinions of a billionaire.

As Peter Kafka (heh) wrote over at Vox:

> But I think we’re better off if we face reality on reality’s terms: One of the richest men in history bought something many of us use and like. Because he could. And now he’s going to run it based on his whims. Because he can.

* https://www.vox.com/recode/2022/12/16/23512993/doxxing-elon-...

Re: R/ElonJetTracker

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Post by wutwutwutwut »

dvhh wrote: post #57
wutwutwutwut wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is public information, not private.

I think that's the defense used by most "doxxing" website.

I wouldn't know. The person I replied to claimed that it was "private information of individuals". If it's public info by law then referring to it as private seems very misleading, wouldn't you say?

Re: R/ElonJetTracker

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Post by wizeman »

sofixa wrote: post #61
lopatin wrote: post #50

Could Musk successfully make the case that, despite this technically being public information, curating it in such a way to track him personally constitutes harassment?

I don't really see this flying in front of a court. This information is easily accessible publicly literally one search to get the aircraft registration number and a second one on Flightradar24 or any of the other sites/apps to see where it is. It's not "technically public" as onsite paper records at your mayor's office, it's widely accessible online public.

> This information is easily accessible publicly literally one search to get the aircraft registration number

Except it isn't. Elon's jet has been subscribed to this program for months:

https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/technology/equipadsb/privacy

This was confirmed by Elon himself: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603803508087537665

So if Elon's aircraft identifier was meant to be publicly accessible even though he is using that program, why does this privacy program exist in the first place?

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